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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

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    Look, I understand your interest in diverting but the fact remains LBJ wanted SS on budget to fund the Vietnam War and it has been on budget as part of a unified budget since 1968. For almost 45 years people have ignored this and accepted the concept that all tax dollars are the same and until that mindset changes the fiscal problems are going to continue.

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    I'm still waiting for you to show where any SSTF dollars were used to fund Vietnam, you have provided nothing.

    Hint: Under the fy1969 unified budget, as you links show, the SSTF is included to minimize deficits in budgetary form. Try reading your own links.
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

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    I'm still waiting for you to show where any SSTF dollars were used to fund Vietnam, you have provided nothing.

    Hint: Under the unified budget, as you links show, the SSTF is included to minimize deficits in budgetary form. Try reading your own links.
    Just goes to show that you have no concept then of the unified budget which is what funded the Vietnam War. You totally ignore the intent of LBJ but simply read what the commission recommended. Apparently you are good at telling exactly what part of the unified budget funded the Vietnam war and don't believe any SS funds did that.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Just goes to show that you have no concept then of the unified budget which is what funded the Vietnam War. You totally ignore the intent of LBJ but simply read what the commission recommended. Apparently you are good at telling exactly what part of the unified budget funded the Vietnam war and don't believe any SS funds did that.
    So what was the "intent" of LBJ? And please document this.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

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    Exactly, this is about choice by the individual and it seems that the liberals only accept choice that supports their point of view. This is total arrogance in believing that the American people aren't smart enough to choose wisely when it comes to their employment, wage, and benefits opportunities and thus need union leadership to decide what is best for them.

    Unions have outlived their usefulness as evidenced by the small percentage of the labor force now unionized. We have laws on the books now to protect workers many of which came from union efforts but those efforts are no longer needed as the laws protect the workers so enforce the laws.
    The corporatist viewpoint again, we have reached labor utopia!

    If unions had outlived their usefulness, then there would be no need to legislatively cripple them.
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Just goes to show that you have no concept then of the unified budget which is what funded the Vietnam War. You totally ignore the intent of LBJ but simply read what the commission recommended. Apparently you are good at telling exactly what part of the unified budget funded the Vietnam war and don't believe any SS funds did that.
    Yap yap yap, you still have nothing to show that SSTF dollars were spent for Vietnam funding.

    Show it or shut it.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    The corporatist viewpoint again, we have reached labor utopia!

    If unions had outlived their usefulness, then there would be no need to legislatively cripple them.
    So providing choice cripples the unions? How liberal of you!

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

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    So providing choice cripples the unions? How liberal of you!
    A worker has choice currently, to take lower pay since he doesn't support union efforts....or pay to support the union and receive far greater benefits.

    Again, if they have reached the end of their usefulness, then let the market determine that. You, as a corporatist, are relying on govt to further your seeking of lower wages.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

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    A worker has choice currently, to take lower pay since he doesn't support union efforts....or pay to support the union and receive far greater benefits.

    Again, if they have reached the end of their usefulness, then let the market determine that. You, as a corporatist, are relying on govt to further your seeking of lower wages.
    So choice only matters if the choice someone else makes is the one that you support? How does providing choice to a worker cripple the unions? I particularly love how those higher wages fund union management that provides nothing but an expense to the company.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Yap yap yap, you still have nothing to show that SSTF dollars were spent for Vietnam funding.

    Show it or shut it.
    Interesting how you are able to look at a unified budget and tell exactly what funds support a particular line item. How did you get such a gift?

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

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    So choice only matters if the choice someone else makes is the one that you support? How does providing choice to a worker cripple the unions? I particularly love how those higher wages fund union management that provides nothing but an expense to the company.
    Again, the corporatist viewpoint, union benefits (higher wages in return for small dues) is viewed primarily as an additional cost, not as a benefit for the worker. Keep showing your true colors, always racing to the bottom, looking for the cheapest labor.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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