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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Again, you "think" I am advocating something because I remind you that it is happening. That is not my problem, it is entirely YOUR problem. I have NEVER advocated for the spending of SS dollars and iou's put in their place...EVER. And if at any time you wish to show where I have done so, by all means, show me where I have done so.

    This is nothing more than you, once again, being shown a thing you originally claim to not understand, and when it is explained to you, you then think it is something that the person who is enlightening you is in favor of the thing he is helping you to understand. We call that "blaming the messenger".

    Get a clue.
    No, it is the country's problem that you pass off as my personal problem. You don't have a problem with the govt. taking your SS/Medicare contribution, putting it on budget and spending it for everything other than SS/Medicare? Until you look at taxes as their intent, you will never change nor will you ever solve the problem. The govt. needs to collect taxes on what it needs, not what power they want.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No, it is the country's problem that you pass off as my personal problem.
    It is your problem when you refuse to face that it has been happening for a long time, you continue on with charade of not accepting that the surplus in the trust fund was created to be raided, it has not been set aside for retiring boomers.
    You don't have a problem with the govt. taking your SS/Medicare contribution, putting it on budget and spending it for everything other than SS/Medicare?
    Let me reiterate....I DO HAVE PROBLEM WITH THE RAIDING OF THE SSTF, I DO HAVE PROBLEM WITH THE GREENSPAN INCREASE THAT WAS USED FRAUDULENTLY.
    Until you look at taxes as their intent, you will never change nor will you ever solve the problem. The govt. needs to collect taxes on what it needs, not what power they want.
    Absolutely pointless boilerplate, you still can't get the point.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    It is your problem when you refuse to face that it has been happening for a long time, you continue on with charade of not accepting that the surplus in the trust fund was created to be raided, it has not been set aside for retiring boomers.Let me reiterate....I DO HAVE PROBLEM WITH THE RAIDING OF THE SSTF, I DO HAVE PROBLEM WITH THE GREENSPAN INCREASE THAT WAS USED FRAUDULENTLY. Absolutely pointless boilerplate, you still can't get the point.
    Yes, it has been happening since the 1960's when LBJ put SS on budget to fund the Vietnam War and over time people like you have accepted the statement that all taxes are the same thus have no problem buying the Obama rhetoric which will never solve the fiscal problem we have today. Until people like you stand up and tell the govt. to spend tax money on what we need vs. what we want nothing is ever going to change. Tell the govt. to allocate the tax revenue to the areas the taxes were supposed to fund. I don't see that from you

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, it has been happening since the 1960's when LBJ put SS on budget
    wrong, the "unified" budget was not created for SS funds to go to Vietnam war spending.
    to fund the Vietnam War
    A surtax was created to fund the war, you need to review that history.
    and over time people like you have accepted the statement that all taxes are the same thus have no problem buying the Obama rhetoric which will never solve the fiscal problem we have today. Until people like you stand up and tell the govt. to spend tax money on what we need vs. what we want nothing is ever going to change. Tell the govt. to allocate the tax revenue to the areas the taxes were supposed to fund. I don't see that from you
    I am not going to repeat what I said already since again it can't get through, and your corporatist perspective has distorted all of your understanding of "want" and "need". We don't need a military consuming 60% of discretionary spending, we don't need SSTF dollars funding needless wars like Iraq and AFPAK.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    wrong, the "unified" budget was not created for SS funds to go to Vietnam war spending.
    A surtax was created to fund the war, you need to review that history.I am not going to repeat what I said already since again it can't get through, and your corporatist perspective has distorted all of your understanding of "want" and "need". We don't need a military consuming 60% of discretionary spending, we don't need SSTF dollars funding needless wars like Iraq and AFPAK.
    Sorry, but that isn't the case. I was around, active in the 60's when it happened and if you ever did any research you wouldn't be making stupid statements.

    I suggest not only that you do some research but that you also take a civics and history course for the role of the Federal Govt. is to PROVIDE for our security and provide means exactly what it states. 60% of discretionary spending amounts to 800 billoin dollars out of a 3.8 trillion dollar Federal spending spree. You better wake up.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    wrong, the "unified" budget was not created for SS funds to go to Vietnam war spending.
    A surtax was created to fund the war, you need to review that history.I am not going to repeat what I said already since again it can't get through, and your corporatist perspective has distorted all of your understanding of "want" and "need". We don't need a military consuming 60% of discretionary spending, we don't need SSTF dollars funding needless wars like Iraq and AFPAK.
    You really need to educate yourself vs. listening to those leftwing sites that you want to believe

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Sorry, but that isn't the case. I was around, active in the 60's when it happened and if you ever did any research you wouldn't be making stupid statements.

    I suggest not only that you do some research but that you also take a civics and history course for the role of the Federal Govt. is to PROVIDE for our security and provide means exactly what it states. 60% of discretionary spending amounts to 800 billoin dollars out of a 3.8 trillion dollar Federal spending spree. You better wake up.
    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You really need to educate yourself vs. listening to those leftwing sites that you want to believe
    "In 1968, a 10% surtax was imposed to pay for the Vietnam War, which raised revenue by about 1% of GDP. And there was conscription during both wars, which can be viewed as a kind of tax that was largely paid by the poor and middle class--young men from wealthy families largely escaped its effects through college deferments."

    The Cost Of War - Forbes.com
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    "In 1968, a 10% surtax was imposed to pay for the Vietnam War, which raised revenue by about 1% of GDP. And there was conscription during both wars, which can be viewed as a kind of tax that was largely paid by the poor and middle class--young men from wealthy families largely escaped its effects through college deferments."

    The Cost Of War - Forbes.com
    Look, I understand your interest in diverting but the fact remains LBJ wanted SS on budget to fund the Vietnam War and it has been on budget as part of a unified budget since 1968. For almost 45 years people have ignored this and accepted the concept that all tax dollars are the same and until that mindset changes the fiscal problems are going to continue.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    because ironworkers that dont join unions make far less money, therefor, why wouldnt you want to join a union if you were an ironworker... I pay 50 bucks a month in dues.. big deal. I get back far more.
    But the issue isnt what YOU want. No one wants to stop you from being in a union. Only from govt forcing others to be in it. And forcing employers to hire only people in it.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    But the issue isnt what YOU want. No one wants to stop you from being in a union. Only from govt forcing others to be in it. And forcing employers to hire only people in it.
    Exactly, this is about choice by the individual and it seems that the liberals only accept choice that supports their point of view. This is total arrogance in believing that the American people aren't smart enough to choose wisely when it comes to their employment, wage, and benefits opportunities and thus need union leadership to decide what is best for them.

    Unions have outlived their usefulness as evidenced by the small percentage of the labor force now unionized. We have laws on the books now to protect workers many of which came from union efforts but those efforts are no longer needed as the laws protect the workers so enforce the laws.

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