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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

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    That is typical liberal talking points and a downright lie. California has over a million more on minimum wage than TX but it is California minimum wage of $8 an hour. Right to work states are creating jobs, union states are losing jobs. Would you prefer no job to having a job?

    At eight bucks an hour?

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    The law doesn't say unions can't exist just that the state government will no longer collect union dues through with holding now the union has to make its case to each member as it collects their dues why it's important to be in the union. So how is a less intrusive government and unions more beholden to their members a bad thing?

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

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    At eight bucks an hour?
    You try living in California for $8 an hour. Further what I would expect someone like you from TX to understand is how is getting those minimum wage jobs here as once again you buy the liberal spin and ignore reality. Fortune 500 companies don't pay minimum wage and they are moving to TX in droves. The medical facilities in TX don't pay minimum wage and they are moving here as well.

    It does seem that you really hate this state. Could it have something to do with the fact that you haven't lived in others?

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by YoungConserv View Post
    The law doesn't say unions can't exist just that the state government will no longer collect union dues through with holding now the union has to make its case to each member as it collects their dues why it's important to be in the union. So how is a less intrusive government and unions more beholden to their members a bad thing?

    Uhmm people don't pay union dues to the State government.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

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    You try living in California for $8 an hour. Further what I would expect someone like you from TX to understand is how is getting those minimum wage jobs here as once again you buy the liberal spin and ignore reality. Fortune 500 companies don't pay minimum wage and they are moving to TX in droves. The medical facilities in TX don't pay minimum wage and they are moving here as well.

    It does seem that you really hate this state. Could it have something to do with the fact that you haven't lived in others?

    Go home carpet bagger.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Uhmm people don't pay union dues to the State government.
    Just goes to show how little you know and understand about public union dues.

    Union dues can no longer be withheld from Michigan home health care workers | Michigan news | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Uhmm people don't pay union dues to the State government.
    No but in michigan the state withholds the money from the workers pay check and gives it to the unions.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I don't understand the disconnect here as SS and Medicare were created as a retirement supplemental and the funds were never intended to fund the Federal Government operating expenses. The fact that working poor do pay into SS and Medicare is irrelevant as they get that money back when they retire or shouldn't they have to pay anything for that retirement and healthcare?

    The Federal Operating expenses are funded by the Federal Income taxes. Included in those expenses is the debt service on the debt. Here again are the line items in the Federal Budget that are funded by Federal Income Taxes. Almost half the country pay nothing for those expenses. These are the expenses that Obama wants to pay for by increasing taxes on the rich. Raising those taxes back to Clinton levels only generates 80 billion a year if there are no consequences for that tax increase. That money will not fund the govt. for 8 days.

    So let's be real here and start talking about expenses, what taxes fund what expense, and what expenses does the Federal Govt. really need. we also cannot forget state taxes and what those taxes fund either. Seems a lot of people do not understand taxes and continue to buy the Obama rhetoric.
    No matter how many times I have reminded you, this point never sinks in. Your hero, Ronnie, at the behest of Greenspan, INCREASED the FICA rate to create a surplus for spending in the general fund....AND DECREASED tax rates on upper income. So this "not understanding" REALLY needs to end, along with this notion that "50% don't pay taxes", they have been contributing to the general fund since the FICA increase in 1983.
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by YoungConserv View Post
    No but in michigan the state withholds the money from the workers pay check and gives it to the unions.
    Ya got a link to that claim?

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That is the easy way out, call taxes taxes and ignore their intent. It is easy calling for increased taxes on the rich when the majority in this country don't understand what FIT funds. Too many fall into that trap and that is exactly what Obama and liberals want.
    It's not "Obama and the liberals" who are saying that the poor don't pay taxes.
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