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hfd said:
So, what would that be in NYC, Van Horn, Tx, San Jose, Ca, Brazil, In? And, how would that wage effect the price of a can of refried beans?
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Exactly...

I'm from Chicago and you cant find a place around here for less than $1,500 a month in a safe neighborhood, however I can go to Rockford Illinois and find places for $300 a month all day in nice safe neighborhoods... Of course in Rockford I would be making half my salary that I do here the Chicago area, however there is a big difference between $750 bucks and $300.
 
winston53660 said:
There is a thread on Wall Mart and what they pay, sheesh:roll:
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Yes, there is, have you read it? do you know the difference between part time and full time workers? Do you understand the concept of promoting from within? Do you realize where most of Wal-Mart managers come from and what they make? Your perceived opinion is just that an uneducated one. I competed against Wal-Mart and understand their structure which apparently you don't
 
Gimmesometruth said:
If union org's have problem with leadership salaries, that is entirely their own issue, it has nothing to with the fact that union busting efforts are designed to lower wages.
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Union management appreciates your support for if the unions go out of business the ones losing their jobs are the managers.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
You brought up "living" wage, now it is minimum wage. Min wage is not a living wage, and huge majority of WM workers rely on govt assistance, obviously they don't pay a living wage. But keep moving the goalposts around, you always do.
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That is your opinion which obviously is guided by your lack of economic understanding as well as the Wal-Mart pay structure. You pull information out of your ass, a huge majority? Prove it? What is a huge majority of Wal-Mart full time employees?
 
Conservative said:
Union management appreciates your support for if the unions go out of business the ones losing their jobs are the managers.
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Thank you Captain Obvious!

Now that the low hanging fruit is picked, gonna try and reach a bit higher?
 
Conservative said:
That is your opinion which obviously is guided by your lack of economic understanding as well as the Wal-Mart pay structure. You pull information out of your ass, a huge majority? Prove it? What is a huge majority of Wal-Mart full time employees?
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The vast majority of WM employees are NOT full time, that is the point. They completely restrict full time to management.

For somone who claims to have "studied" WM, you sure don't show much knowledge.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Thank you Captain Obvious!

Now that the low hanging fruit is picked, gonna try and reach a bit higher?
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What has become obvious is your total lack of understanding of business as well as your support for Union Management and their high salaries
 
Gimmesometruth said:
The vast majority of WM employees are NOT full time, that is the point. They completely restrict full time to management.

For somone who claims to have "studied" WM, you sure don't show much knowledge.
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Again, your opinion, now prove it?
 
Conservative said:
Yes, there is, have you read it? do you know the difference between part time and full time workers? Do you understand the concept of promoting from within? Do you realize where most of Wal-Mart managers come from and what they make? Your perceived opinion is just that an uneducated one. I competed against Wal-Mart and understand their structure which apparently you don't
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Oh dear god you asked for a corp that doesn't pay a living wage. Wall Mart doesn't pay a living wage to many of its employees.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Dude, anyone that believes that McD flippers in Chi earn "$12" per need a better source of info.
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They do make 10-12 an hour in the city... In the suburbs they start at 8 an hour...

Like I said it is the standard of living in the city vs the suburbs. Chicago is more expensive hence the higher pay. Relatively speaking there really is no difference in what one can save in either environment, meaning I could pay 1.99 for a loaf of bread here on the outskirts of Chicago but in the city it would cost $2.49 so the percentage of what I'm putting away of those in the city is pretty much the same.

It's just more expensive to live in an urban area, hence employers need to pay more.

Hell I exploited the standard of living when I was a teenager. I used to take the train to Chicago and work at a CD store for $12.00 an hour in The Loop, then take the train back to the burbs, and I was making 2x what jobs were paying only 30 miles away.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
The vast majority of WM employees are NOT full time, that is the point. They completely restrict full time to management.

For somone who claims to have "studied" WM, you sure don't show much knowledge.
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You really do need to prove that, since ABC disagrees with you:

The nation’s largest private employer with 1.4 million workers, most of whom are full-time, made the changes as part of its open-enrollment period for next year’s coverage. Walmart does not disclose the percentage of full-time employees.

The company is continuing coverage for current part-timers, who previously didn’t have a minimum number of hours they had to work but were eligible after one year of employment.
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This article goes on to say that WalMart has provided healthcare coverage for every employee at a cost of $15 every pay period regardless of hours worked. Now? New hires will not be eligible for healthcare through their program unless they work over 24 hours a week. That sounds downright generous.

Walmart Cuts Employee Health Care Benefits - ABC News
 
winston53660 said:
Oh dear god you asked for a corp that doesn't pay a living wage. Wall Mart doesn't pay a living wage to many of its employees.
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You have yet to provide your definition of a living wage so hard to debate the topic. Is it a living wage for a second wage earner in a family to make $10 an hour working part time? Do you know what the major income earner in the family makes?
 
winston53660 said:
Oh dear god you asked for a corp that doesn't pay a living wage. Wall Mart doesn't pay a living wage to many of its employees.
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Neither does Target. Neither does KMart. Neither does McDonald's. Neither does Wendy's. Neither does Taco Bell. Neither does . . . I think you get the picture. Unless one is in management with any of these kinds of companies, they are not meant to be careers. What is so difficult to understand about that?

Or do you think the fast-foodie at the drive-up window should be paid $30,000 a year?
 
Conservative said:
You have yet to provide your definition of a living wage so hard to debate the topic. Is it a living wage for a second wage earner in a family to make $10 an hour working part time? Do you know what the major income earner in the family makes?
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Oh dear gawd you are so funny.
 
winston53660 said:
Oh dear gawd you are so funny.
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Why don't you stop playing games and tell me what your definition of a living wage is and how you know someone isn't making a living wage for their personal situation?
 
MaggieD said:
Neither does Target. Neither does KMart. Neither does McDonald's. Neither does Wendy's. Neither does Taco Bell. Neither does . . . I think you get the picture. Unless one is in management with any of these kinds of companies, they are not meant to be careers. What is so difficult to understand about that?

Or do you think the fast-foodie at the drive-up window should be paid $30,000 a year?
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That is not the issue at hand. This is:

Originally Posted by Conservative
That is your opinion yet you have not provided me one corporation that pays what you would consider a non liveable wage?
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Thanks for listing more corps that don't pay a living wage Maggie.
 
Conservative said:
Why don't you stop playing games and tell me what your definition of a living wage is and how you know someone isn't making a living wage for their personal situation?
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I'm not the one playing spin, spin spin. You are.
 
Conservative said:
What has become obvious is your total lack of understanding of business as well as your support for Union Management and their high salaries
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As I said before, what the unions pay their management is their business, Mr. Freemarket.

But then hypocrisy is your forte.
 
winston53660 said:
I'm not the one playing spin, spin spin. You are.
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No you are claiming that someone isn't making a liveable wage but have yet to define liveable wage. Is a young person(16-19) living at home with his parents making minimum wage making a liveable wage?
 
hfd said:
So, what would that be in NYC, Van Horn, Tx, San Jose, Ca, Brazil, In? And, how would that wage effect the price of a can of refried beans?
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That would be why its based on a key factor that varies by area.

My two bedroom house with the huge yard is $1600 a month here in san diego.

The same place would be maybe $500 elsewhere.

Real.estate speculation has economic consequences. Renters generally pay them.

If the price of beans won't support the necessary labor, the price should go up. Or a smaller profit should be taken. Or beans are an unviable product.
 
Conservative said:
No you are claiming that someone isn't making a liveable wage but have yet to define liveable wage. Is a young person(16-19) living at home with his parents making minimum wage making a liveable wage?
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No they are not. Duh.
 
Conservative said:
Why don't you stop playing games and tell me what your definition of a living wage is and how you know someone isn't making a living wage for their personal situation?
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If you are asking for a specific wage, that would depend on the area you are living in. If you are asking for a definition, I would believe that would be a wage, so that you can pay utility bills, rent, food, etc. I.E. the items that would keep you from being homeless, starving, and sick.

If you are wanting specifics on say a specific item on my list such as "food", that is a more complex subject. Cheap food is not healthy food, so you could say that contributes to the obescity problem which is yet another more complex subject because it contributes to the other subject item as avoid being sick.

Either way, BOTH major items of a definition and specific wage of a living wage are very complex items.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
As I said before, what the unions pay their management is their business, Mr. Freemarket.

But then hypocrisy is your forte.
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So a double standard as expected. You have no problem with union management making six digit salaries while complaining what non union workers make and calling worker choice a crippling effect on the unions? It is a crippling effect on union management.
 
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