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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i actually agree with you
    folks should not be compelled to pay union dues
    but neither should they receive union representation in the workplace
    nor should they receive the things the union has already obtained for its represented workforce, such as sick leave, vacation days, family-friendly provisions, objective performance assessments, overtime pay, retirement plans, merit promotions, break facilities, grievance resolution processes, etc.
    they should be able to give up paying the cost of union operations ... but to do so they have to also acknowledge their willingness to relinquish their entitlement to any and all of the benefits that have been negotiated for the workforce by that union with which they seek to have no affiliation
    They shouldn't receive any union representation if they don't pay dues, but whatever pay and benefits they negotiate with the company on their own has nothing to do with the union, nor is it any of the union's business.
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I find that disgusting. We live in a democratic nation. If "the majority" wants the state to be Right to Work, then that's what ought to happen. That asshole should be ashamed of himself.
    The majority of Michigans population does not want right to work. But the Koch brothers do! This has nothing to do with workers this has everything to do with a bunch of spineless Rethugs keeping their cushy jobs!

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    There's a lot of what I hope is frustrated tongue in cheek talk here. The times when picking up a gun is the answer are so rare most of us never encounter them in our long lifetimes. Even in those circumstances it's hardly ever the only answer.

    The unions began with violence as a reaction to violence directed against them. We're talking guns and clubs, with both sides coming at each other. Some necessary changes were made to our business regulatory structure that would not have been made, at least for decades, if not for that violence.

    Same is true of the birth of our nation. However, with each passing decade we tolerate less violence as acceptable. I think that's a good thing.

    This is one instance, and the perps should all be arrested and assigned the penalty the law allows. Rinse, repeat for each individual who crosses the line and the folks who just want to have their say, their time on the soapbox are safer for it (as well as the rest of us).

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    They shouldn't receive any union representation if they don't pay dues, but whatever pay and benefits they negotiate with the company on their own has nothing to do with the union, nor is it any of the union's business.
    can't agree
    if they disassociate with the union and negotiate their own terms, those terms must be made available to the union


    who the hell do they think they are, the NFL owners [/s]
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    The majority of Michigans population does not want right to work. But the Koch brothers do! This has nothing to do with workers this has everything to do with a bunch of spineless Rethugs keeping their cushy jobs!
    Why did they vote down the constitutional amendment promoted by the unions?
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Alex Carey:

    ... the 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.

    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Why did they vote down the constitutional amendment promoted by the unions?
    Which one would that be?
    Alex Carey:

    ... the 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.

    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Why did they vote down the constitutional amendment promoted by the unions?


    And don't anonymize, be specific.
    Alex Carey:

    ... the 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.

    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Well we could certainly hasten their demise if they get violent. America could only be better if the SEIU thugs were no longer
    We would be better off if we declared war on all the lawyers. At least the union workers know how to work!

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    We would be better off if we declared war on all the lawyers. At least the union workers know how to work!
    Hurts your side more than mine

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