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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    That wasn't the question, you were supposed to show that this legislation would be passed in the new legislature.

    Everyone is recognizing that this legislation was being absolutely rushed through in the 11th hour of this session....because of the change in the House. Otherwise, there would be no reason to rush it through, since, under your scenario, it still would be passed next session.
    Sorry, my crystal ball is low on batteries.

    But that's not what "everyone is recognizing". Some folks mention the reason is to use the momentum from the recent election (where the attempt to place anti-RTW language in the state's constitution was soundly defeated). But then I susoect you knew that, it just doesn't fit into your anti-republican narrative.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    The Michigan Education Association spent 134 million last year, of which only 15 million was spent on representing their employees with an additional 39,000 spent on strike benefits.

    6.5 million was spent on union adminsitration, 50 million on general overhead, and 4.8 million on political lobbying.
    Are you a member of that union?
    If so, then you need to talk to your fellow members if you don't like the way your union is spending your money.
    If not, then what do you care how they spend their money?
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    The Michigan Education Association spent 134 million last year....

    50 million on general overhead, ...
    Yep. 61 % of the MEA's total spending was on “general overhead” which includes employee benefits.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Yep. 61 % of the MEA's total spending was on “general overhead” which includes employee benefits.
    Wrong. Disclosure laws strictly define what General overhead means, and it doesn't include Benefits. That's a separate line item, which is less than 1/2 of the General Overhead.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Wrong. Disclosure laws strictly define what General overhead means, and it doesn't include Benefits. That's a separate line item, which is less than 1/2 of the General Overhead.
    From this article:

    According to union documents, “representational activities” (money spent on bargaining contracts for members) made up only 11 percent of total spending for the union. Meanwhile, spending on “general overhead” (union administration and employee benefits) comprised of 61 percent of the total spending.
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    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    From this article:

    According to union documents, “representational activities” (money spent on bargaining contracts for members) made up only 11 percent of total spending for the union. Meanwhile, spending on “general overhead” (union administration and employee benefits) comprised of 61 percent of the total spending.
    Showdown in Michigan as legislature debates right-to-work laws « Hot Air
    That's not member benefits, that's union employee benefits.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post

    Sounds like an awfully vague way of line itemizing it...Plenty of room for corruption, and theft.
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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Anyone who benefits from Union efforts in increasing pay without paying for the effort....is a freeloader.

    No one is forced to join, that has been illegal for decades. You have a choice, if you don't want increased pay, then accept the lower wage without the benefit. If you want the higher pay, then support those who got it for you.
    Lets do that at the federal level then and eliminate benefits for anyone who doesnt pay taxes. Anyone who benefits from the countires efforts without paying for it...is a freeloader. You have a choice. If you dont want to pay for benefits, then you dont get them. So, if you are poor, you dont get medicare, social security, welfare, unemployment checks, food stamps, etc.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Lets do that at the federal level then and eliminate benefits for anyone who doesnt pay taxes. Anyone who benefits from the countires efforts without paying for it...is a freeloader. You have a choice. If you dont want to pay for benefits, then you dont get them. So, if you are poor, you dont get medicare, social security, welfare, unemployment checks, food stamps, etc.
    I was just thinking about this angle. Its comical to see the role reversal between this thread and ones about federal entitlements. The same argument applies, the hard work of some is being poached by freeloaders. Pretty funny stuff.

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    Re: Democrats threaten violence on Michigan House floor

    Congratulations, Michigan on doing the right thing. Seems liberals only like choice when it is about murdering the unborn or marrying someone of the same sex. The legal vote of the state doesn't matter when it is against the liberal agenda.

    The state of Michigan outside of Detroit is a beautiful state that has been under liberal union influence for far too long. Now they can attract new businesses and new jobs. Look forward to seeing better results and better jobs in the state of Michigan as they join the other right to work states that have much better unemployment numbers.

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