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Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

apdst said:
But, it would be ok to offer a gay pride license plate without offering a license plate with an opposing opinon, I'm sure.
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Offering any political liscence plate is a bad idea, and offeringany without an opposing choice is wrong. It is not about what the issue is, it is about only one side of it being offered.
 
H. Lee White said:
So.... if NC issued a “Slavery Sucks!” plate, the ACLU would sue if the state does not also offer a “Slavery Rocks!” plate?
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I believe they would... they're representing the Ku Klux Klan in Georgia because the state refused to include them in the "adopt a highway" program (pick up trash on the side of the road in exchange for a roadsign recognizing the group for their efforts).

Ku Klux Klan sues Georgia after bid to adopt road is denied | Reuters

The ACLU has a rather simplistic view of "fairness" - about what you'd expect from an 8-year-old.
 
Taylor said:
I believe they would... they're representing the Ku Klux Klan in Georgia because the state refused to include them in the "adopt a highway" program (pick up trash on the side of the road in exchange for a roadsign recognizing the group for their efforts).

Ku Klux Klan sues Georgia after bid to adopt road is denied | Reuters

The ACLU has a rather simplistic view of "fairness" - about what you'd expect from an 8-year-old.
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Thinking that every one should have the same rights as guaranteed under the constitution, even people who are unpopular, is not "rather simplistic". That is, in fact, the basis of the bill of rights.
 
Taylor said:
Choose death?

Condemn abortion alternatives?

Really?
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Or "reproductive freedom", or "keep the government out of my body", or.....
 
Redress said:
Thinking that every one should have the same rights as guaranteed under the constitution, even people who are unpopular, is not "rather simplistic". That is, in fact, the basis of the bill of rights.
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The KKK doesn't have right to adopt a highway.
 
Redress said:
Or "reproductive freedom", or "keep the government out of my body", or.....
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Don't see what either of those has to do with this particular license plate. It doesn't exactly say "make abortion illegal" or "keep the government inside of my body"
 
Redress said:
There is a difference between being obtuse, and being realistic.
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As noted and described previously, the premise upon which you base your disagreement is unsound.
You refuse to accept this; thus, you're being intentionally obtuse.
I'm sorry that you do not like the truth, but the truth it is.
 
BayToBay said:
It's pretty clear. They refused to allow for the countering viewpoint.
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They did not so much refuse to offer a countering viewpoint as they did not offer one.
I haven't seen anything to suggest that the state was asked, or told, to offer a countering view and declined to do so.
 
tererun said:
If you want to make profit on these stylized plates then do it through entertainment. you could put sports team logos, or i like fishing, or the state's motto. Youi can make your extra money off of that and leave the political campaigning to the politicians.
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It should be based on supply and demand. What amounts to campaigning is subjective. For instance, most sports teams are funded through often controversial tax referendums.
 
Caine said:
Your point is kind of stupid too.
It shouldn't matter whether it is a current active political viewpoint or not.
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Exactly.
As I said - the 1st amendment protets the expression of political points of view whether they are currently relevant or not, thus rendering unsound Redress's response.
 
lizzie said:
Exactly. Expressions of free speech include opinions which may not necessarily be politically correct or popular. I'm having a difficult time believing there is even a constitutional question here.
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I believe that the rejection/acceptance of group plates being entirely up to the state legislature is the issue. In Texas, nearly any group/organization can qualify for custom group plates, but it requires a deposit of $8K, refundable after 800 such plates are actually ordered. The article indicates repeated attempts at getting the "counter group" plates were rejected - that is what makes this a "gov't approved" political speech issue, IMHO.

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H. Lee White said:
They did not so much refuse to offer a countering viewpoint as they did not offer one.
I haven't seen anything to suggest that the state was asked, or told, to offer a countering view and declined to do so.
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Then you did not bother to read the article. The state senate rejected bills that would have offered the countering viewpoint.
 
Not sure about NC, but in a state I am familiar, it takes a signed petition to add a specialty license plate unless it is obscene, etc. If that is the case in NC, then unless the state prohibited the other side, then I don't see how this isn't balanced.
 
Redress said:
Or "reproductive freedom", or "keep the government out of my body", or.....
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I hate that term... "Reproductive Freedom"

As if the alternative is reproductive slavery, even though it was the INDIVIDUAL'S actions that got them in the position to be the slave in the first place.



"Reproductive Freedom" means choosing not to have sex if you cannot handle the consequences.
 
Taylor said:
The KKK doesn't have right to adopt a highway.
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Why not?

If I had to chose between having a dirty ****ty looking roadway, or having the KKK bring their wives and kids down and clean it up and having a clean roadway... I'll take the clean roadway any day of the week.


I gives a **** about WHO is doing the work.
 
Sarcogito said:
You clearly aren't familiar with the ACLU then. The ACLU is for equality under the law.
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When it suits them and their particular political point of view.
How many times has the ACLU gone to bat for the pro-gun rights position?
 
H. Lee White said:
They did not so much refuse to offer a countering viewpoint as they did not offer one.
I haven't seen anything to suggest that the state was asked, or told, to offer a countering view and declined to do so.
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Um, did you even read your OP's link? :roll:

During the 2011 legislative session, the North Carolina General Assembly passed House Bill 289, which authorized the issuance of a “Choose Life” license plate.

However, officials say the legislature repeatedly refused to authorize a plate that supported the countervailing position in favor of reproductive freedom.

Six amendments were proposed in the legislature to authorize an additional new plate that stated either, “Trust Women. Respect Choice,” or simply “Respect Choice.” The legislature rejected all six amendments.
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Reading is "for the mental", um I meant "fundamental". :)
 
tererun said:
Ummmm, I would.
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Seems the issue could be easily resolved then.

Some like yourself could have "Choose Death" license plates and the less enlightened could have "Choose Life" license plates.
 
Grant said:
Seems the issue could be easily resolved then.

Some like yourself could have "Choose Death" license plates and the less enlightened could have "Choose Life" license plates.
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The prefered "opposite" is usually "pro choice", but other alternatives were offered, yet all were rejected by the state legislature. Your sarcastic use of which political opinion is "less enlightened" is very telling of your bias on the issue, the very basis of the lawsuit. Hmm...
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The prefered "opposite" is usually "pro choice", but other alternatives were offered, yet all were rejected by the state legislature. Your sarcastic use of which political opinion is "less enlightened" is very telling of your bias on the issue, the very basis of the lawsuit. Hmm...
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With just a little investigation you'll find that there are many people who have strong opinions on abortion. I just think it odd that there are people who would actually be offended at the sight of "Choose Life". Is that so offensive? It must be the same crowd who have trouble dealing with Christmas trees.
 
Grant said:
With just a little investigation you'll find that there are many people who have strong opinions on abortion. I just think it odd that there are people who would actually be offended at the sight of "Choose Life". Is that so offensive? It must be the same crowd who have trouble dealing with Christmas trees.
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You missed the entire point of the OP's lawsuit. It was not simply against the free use of the issued tag's opinion, it was against not having any equal opportunity to counter it. The state legislature accpted stating one political viewpoint (via state issued tags) and rejected the stating of the opposing political viewpoint (via state issued tags).
 
Thanks to the First Amendment, Congress is unable to pass a law abridging freedom of speech.

Under the Fourteenth Amendment "doctrine of incorporation," state legislatures are also unable to pass laws abridging freedom of speech.

If a state offers an OPTION to buy a non-standard license plate, this does not violate anyone's freedom of speech whatsoever. Everyone is just as capable of saying whatever political statement they want. If they want to put it on their car, there are bumper stickers.



I don't care if you're pro- or anti-abortion, we should all be anti-****ing retarded activist judges who can't read plain English. Or for that matter, a hypocritical, backwards organization like the ACLU.
 
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