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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    This was a good call. No longer allowing a religious belief on a license plate.
    Ridiculous.

    Valuing human life is not a religious belief.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    This seems like a no brainier. If a liberal state allowed Pro Choice license plates but denied anyone who wanted a Pro Life plate then every social conservative would be citing that their free speech rights were being violated. This issue had nothing to do with one side being represented and so the other had to be represented. This was a case of a state taking a side and refusing the other side the opportunity to have a voice.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Ridiculous.

    Valuing human life is not a religious belief.
    Actually, I agree that it is a religious belief. There are many different ways of valuing life, and being against abortion is only one of them. There are many people who are against abortion but for the death penalty and that distinction is based on religious beliefs.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

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    Who cares who sponsors them? Is it that big a deal.
    Tell you what. When you start being honest in this thread then I will respond to your posts in this thread again. I will simply say that this case had nothing to do with the words "Choose Life" and refer you back to posts 332 and 335. I'm tired of repeating myself.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Actually, I agree that it is a religious belief. There are many different ways of valuing life, and being against abortion is only one of them. There are many people who are against abortion but for the death penalty and that distinction is based on religious beliefs.
    I'd like to see some evidence of that.

    And are you saying that secularists don't value human life?

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    This seems like a no brainier. If a liberal state allowed Pro Choice license plates but denied anyone who wanted a Pro Life plate then every social conservative would be citing that their free speech rights were being violated. This issue had nothing to do with one side being represented and so the other had to be represented. This was a case of a state taking a side and refusing the other side the opportunity to have a voice.
    Are you not on the side of Choose Life? How could somebody not be?

    This message should be discussed in schools, hospitals and every public building in order that there be fewer suicides, murders, abortions, etc. The value of a human life should not be debased by any person or any group.

    I understand that the pro choice people with strongly held views are in a cultural war but perhaps they should just sit back for a moment and reflect about what fighting against these two innocuous words means, as well as the consequences. We should all support the slogan, no matter how we may feel about abortion.

    Demeaning the value of human life is not a winning argument, though perhaps the courts will support this idea. But it seems to me that no social good is achieved by telling a group of people that the slogan "Choose Life" should be illegal and not appear on public view. We can see this negative attitude spreading throughout the county, the sides being taken, and the disintegration that results of a culture continually fighting wars against itself and often, as in this case, for the most petty of reasons.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I'd like to see some evidence of that.

    And are you saying that secularists don't value human life?
    No, I'm saying that the anti abortionist's view of "valuing human life" is motivated by their religious views which is pretty evident given that they often stop valuing human life when it comes to the death penalty and warring on other nations. The notion that just being against abortion is equatable to "valuing human life" is a religious notion because it values human life differently depending on the circumstances. I think the concept of valuing human life is inherently human but religious views influence how it is applied and that is most certainly the case with abortion politics. The rhetoric that anti abortionists play with pretending that they have a monopoly on valuing human life is deceptive at best and delusional at worst.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Are you not on the side of Choose Life? How could somebody not be?

    This message should be discussed in schools, hospitals and every public building in order that there be fewer suicides, murders, abortions, etc. The value of a human life should not be debased by any person or any group.

    I understand that the pro choice people with strongly held views are in a cultural war but perhaps they should just sit back for a moment and reflect about what fighting against these two innocuous words means, as well as the consequences. We should all support the slogan, no matter how we may feel about abortion.

    Demeaning the value of human life is not a winning argument, though perhaps the courts will support this idea. But it seems to me that no social good is achieved by telling a group of people that the slogan "Choose Life" should be illegal and not appear on public view. We can see this negative attitude spreading throughout the county, the sides being taken, and the disintegration that results of a culture continually fighting wars against itself and often, as in this case, for the most petty of reasons.
    The problem here wasn't with the words "choose life" it was that the state would not allow the words "pro choice" to also appear.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Actually, I agree that it is a religious belief. There are many different ways of valuing life, and being against abortion is only one of them. There are many people who are against abortion but for the death penalty and that distinction is based on religious beliefs.
    The pro abortion, pro life argument is that a young enough baby is not yet a person and therefore abortion is not causing any harm to anyone.

    However murderers are adults responsible for their actions and therefore subject to the consequences.

    I happen to be pro life, pro choice and pro the death penalty in some circumstances but am not a religious person. I don't think my situation is unique.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    The problem here wasn't with the words "choose life" it was that the state would not allow the words "pro choice" to also appear.
    Perhaps because the words Pro Choice are meaningless unless it explains further what choices you are discussing.

    Are the Pro Choice people in the cases of abortion not Pro Life as well? They need not be mutually exclusive terms.

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