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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    You are waay off base.
    You'll have to be more specific.

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    Maybe you only read my quoted snippet and not the actual case?

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    You'll have to be more specific.

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    Maybe you only read my quoted snippet and not the actual case?
    Ooops. Yes, I was concentrating on the quote, which doesn't really get to the meat of things. I don't have time to look closely enough at the reasoning at the moment, but I'm not yet positive these are contradictory rulings, entirely. The situations are slightly different, and I'm not sure the two courts are applying the same precedential standards. And yes, I suspect that the ACLU will probably push this in every state it can think of. I'll get back to you tomorrow (or maybe later tonight) with comments.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    You'll have to be more specific.
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    Maybe you only read my quoted snippet and not the actual case?
    It seems that calling it speech of the stat was already attempted and rejected.

    One difference that is noted is that in the TN case the legislation was specifically about the "Choose Life" motto, while in NC case the legislation is about specialty plates in general.

    I haven't finished reading everything yet.
    But at this point, it seems that when the state has a specific piece of legislation for a particular message, there's a stronger case to be made that it is the state's message rather than a forum than when the state decides to allow a multitude of messages with a single piece of legislation.

    Not finished yet though.
    I may change my mind after I finish reading everything. We'll see.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Also it should be noted that these are in different circuit/districts
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    It's irrelevant whether or not someone has been offended. That's not how the first amendment works at all. The issue in this case is viewpoint discrimination in a government forum.
    Who is being discriminated against by those words?

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Who is being discriminated against by those words?
    They're not being discriminated against by the words.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    So your contention that the message intended could be totally unrelated to the abortion debate is bull****.
    So what if it is? Isn't choose life a positive message?



    If you'd read the case instead of making stuff up, you'd know that several people requested plates that said things like "respect choice" or "trust women - respect choice." They were rejected. Hence the constitutional problem.
    I can't agree with either "Respect Choice" or "Trust Women"? Why should anyone respect a choice, or necessarily trust men or women?
    Only to those who like to engage in the intellectually dishonest game of ignoring the obvious political meaning of the term "choose life" as used by anti-abortion groups.
    It seems to me that political feelings have become just a tad too strong over trivial matters. Sometimes we should just relax and admit that a 'slogan like 'Choose Life' is not such a bad thing. Same with Christmas Tree.being called a holiday tree. Can't people just lighten up a little? What petty lives these people must lead.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post

    It seems to me that political feelings have become just a tad too strong over trivial matters. Sometimes we should just relax and admit that a 'slogan like 'Choose Life' is not such a bad thing. Same with Christmas Tree.being called a holiday tree. Can't people just lighten up a little? What petty lives these people must lead.

    I didn't realize the abortion debate was trivial to you. OK. That's cool. Personally I don't especially give a ****. Of course I recognize that a fetus is not a person, so why the **** should I care?

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Who is being discriminated against by those words?
    What words?

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