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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I didn't say it was about abortion, though that's certainly the way it's being read. But whether or not it is about abortion, how could anyone be offended by the words "Choose Life". Are you offended by these words? Do you think these two words should demand such controversy or are we living in particularly sensitive times?
    Again and still, it's not about being offended. Again and still, it's not about being offended by words. Again and still, it's not about abortion.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Whether or not it was sponsored by an anti abortion group, so what?
    So your contention that the message intended could be totally unrelated to the abortion debate is bull****.


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    Is there anyone who is pro abortion? I don't think so. What they are for is pro choice, correct?

    So within that choice is "Choose Life". Was there another who said "Choose Abortion"? I doubt it.
    If you'd read the case instead of making stuff up, you'd know that several people requested plates that said things like "respect choice" or "trust women - respect choice." They were rejected. Hence the constitutional problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So whether or not you are pro life or pro choice, "Choose Life" would be a positive suggestion, wouldn't it?
    Only to those who like to engage in the intellectually dishonest game of ignoring the obvious political meaning of the term "choose life" as used by anti-abortion groups.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    You obviously haven't read the opinion. You might want to do so before commenting further.
    You obviously don't know that it conflicts with other appeals decisions. Perhaps it is you that needs to do some more reading.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    So your contention that the message intended could be totally unrelated to the abortion debate is bull****.
    Well, it could be, but it's not.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    You obviously don't know that it conflicts with other appeals decisions.
    Cite please.
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    Perhaps it is you that needs to do some more reading.
    I'd love to. Please point out the relevant cases.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Somehow no one corrected the court record that NC has about 150 different plates available.
    Perhaps you should mention that to the Honorable.
    Don't follow/don't see what that has to do with my comment.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    You obviously don't know that it conflicts with other appeals decisions. Perhaps it is you that needs to do some more reading.
    1) How so, and in which jurisdiction(s)?

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Don't follow/don't see what that has to do with my comment.
    Maybe it doesn't relate.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Cite please.
    I'd love to. Please point out the relevant cases.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    1) How so, and in which jurisdiction(s)?
    Here's one from the 6th:
    http://www.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions...6a0099p-06.pdf
    “Choose Life” is Tennessee’s public message, just as “Live Free or Die” communicated New Hampshire’s individualist values and state pride. The evil in Wooley was that the automobile owners were compelled to disseminate the message; here automobile owners are not only not compelled, they have to pay extra to disseminate the message.
    Looks to eventually end up in the SC, but you never know. We do know that there are currently 26 or so states with "Choose Life" plates and something like 3 for "Respect Choice" - some of that may be due to court decisions (e.g. ACLU dropped its case in Ohio after the above ruling), some to low interest in a "Respect Choice" plate. I'd be surprised if there weren't a challenge in every single state where the ACLU/Planned Parenthood believes it has a case.
    Last edited by Taylor; 12-13-12 at 06:31 PM.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Oh God. Seriously? This is the contradiction you're talking about? The meaning of the text? Dude, read the case. You are waay off base.

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