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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    You want to talk about license plates or the philosophy behind the issue at hand.
    The issue at hand is the govt and its obligation in re public forums it controls and public speech.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Nope. Hence the legislative process and need to approve every word put on the plate.
    Somehow no one corrected the court record that NC has about 150 different plates available.
    Perhaps you should mention that to the Honorable.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post
    Isn't that kind of a moot point?? Just because you may not agree with someone's behavior doesn't mean they aren't christians.. All that is to me is a denial of responsibility..

    Yes, statistically speaking, Christians by far get most of the abortions.. Much of that is also a reflection of their belief that birth control is bad.. Whatever you want to call them.. Christians are on the wrong end of this arguement.. They should support birth control and planned parenthood.. The best way to prevent abortion is prevent prenancy.. There is nothing in the bible that says birth control is bad.. I fail to see what their issue with it is..
    I fail to see who this "They" you were so concerned about in your earlier post where accusations were flying everywhere including, if i recall correctly, where "they" were abandoning babies on the streets. Who were these people?

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Well it can 'imply' anything to anyone who lacks comprehension skills but in my case "Choose Life" means "Choose Life", and I'm not outraged at that point of view.
    The case isn't actually about abortion. It's about what is appropriate use of a govt controlled public forum for political expression.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    It's not the pro-life crowed that wants the plates fault there is no alternative plate that says "pro-choice."

    It will be overturned.
    Choose Life says nothing about Pro Choice either way. It only says Choose Life, which I think we can all agree is a good thing.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Choose Life says nothing about Pro Choice either way. It only says Choose Life, which I think we can all agree is a good thing.
    Since the plate was sponsored by a national anti-abortion group, it's pretty obvious what the intended message was.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Choose Life says nothing about Pro Choice either way. It only says Choose Life, which I think we can all agree is a good thing.
    If you would read the ruling, you would see that the words were not considered in an abstract vacuum. They were examined in the context provided by the people who brought the slogan to the legislature, in the context of the group which received the fund from the sale of the plates.

    So, the court chose to examine the slogan in the context in which the slogan actually arose and existed rather than in a removed abstract sense.

    You're free to adhere to abstraction removed from the world in which these things are happening. But the court did not have that luxury.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    The case isn't actually about abortion. It's about what is appropriate use of a govt controlled public forum for political expression.
    I didn't say it was about abortion, though that's certainly the way it's being read. But whether or not it is about abortion, how could anyone be offended by the words "Choose Life". Are you offended by these words? Do you think these two words should demand such controversy or are we living in particularly sensitive times?

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Since the plate was sponsored by a national anti-abortion group, it's pretty obvious what the intended message was.
    Whether or not it was sponsored by an anti abortion group, so what? Is there anyone who is pro abortion? I don't think so. What they are for is pro choice, correct?

    So within that choice is "Choose Life". Was there another who said "Choose Abortion"? I doubt it.

    So whether or not you are pro life or pro choice, "Choose Life" would be a positive suggestion, wouldn't it?

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I didn't say it was about abortion, though that's certainly the way it's being read. But whether or not it is about abortion, how could anyone be offended by the words "Choose Life". Are you offended by these words? Do you think these two words should demand such controversy or are we living in particularly sensitive times?
    It's irrelevant whether or not someone has been offended. That's not how the first amendment works at all. The issue in this case is viewpoint discrimination in a government forum.

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