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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    ... planned parenthood keeps their books sealed.
    So a meager attempt at a cursory Google could never turn up info like this, right?
    Latest Audited Financial Statement
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    You do realize abortion is murder? I don't understand why progressives don't comprehend that!
    In short - me killing you would be no different than a woman having an abortion.
    We're drifting into your pet issue?
    Is that why you have trouble staying on topic of govt controlled public venues for political expression?
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    I will neither be feigning shock that a person on an internet debate site claims to be of a profession relevant to the topic at hand, nor at the possibility of veritable legions of clueless lawyers who took Constitutional Law from professors that despise the document, such as our current president.

    And I say again that in no way was the legislature of North Carolina abridging the freedom of speech of its citizens... Which is the only way it would actually run afoul of the text of the First Amendment.

    So regardless of your claim you might need a refresher.
    Again: you have no earthly idea what you're talking about. You'd obviously prefer to remain ignorant of the topic, so you go ahead and run with that.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    In some abstract sense which is far removed from the world we live in, you're right.

    Again, the issue isn't about the gov "endorsing political speech." The issue us that govt controlled venues for public political speech must be available to all of the citizens.
    Though you're getting warmer.
    But buckets do as long as they're upright and don't have holes in them.
    Non-sequitur for a non-sequitur.

    There's no indication that this happened in this case.
    I could care less if a pro-choice group wanted a plate that said "pro-choice." Apparently that has already happened, and they were (wrongly) shot down.

    The government has no right to interpret slogans - we don't need the government defining language for us.

    Furthermore this is so goddamn stupid considering bumper stickers are available that read: "pro-life" and "pro-choice."

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Abortion is not murder. In order for there to be murder then the killing of a PERSON must happen. A ZEF is not a PERSON. The judges have already ruled on this.
    Murder is actually a subset of homicide which is illegal and not manslaughter or otherwise.

    I suspect that Mr. Nick actually means that abortion is homicide. But saying that is not as sexy as saying murder.

    But I am wrong all the time. So Mr. Nick may actually think that abortion is illegal. idk
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    so the first amendment only deal with freedom of speech you say?
    Perhaps you should heed the advice of the following poster:
    Now you're just being absurd.

    This case has nothing to do with establishing a religion. Or the free expression of religion. Or peaceful assembly. Or the press.

    Technically, being a nonsense lawsuit, it had nothing to do with abridging freedom of speech, either, but that's your untenable claim, not mine.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    We're drifting into your pet issue?
    Is that why you have trouble staying on topic of govt controlled public venues for political expression?
    Sorry that I can type more than two complete sentences while addressing my concerns with an issue thoroughly, and in an articulate manner.

    Sorry if I just cant address you with a simplistic two sentences.
    Last edited by Mr.Nick; 12-13-12 at 04:54 PM.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I could care less if a pro-choice group wanted a plate that said "pro-choice." Apparently that has already happened, and they were (wrongly) shot down.
    I couldn't care much less about what you could care less about.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    The government has no right to interpret slogans - we don't need the government defining language for us.
    1) The courts looked to the people who brought the "Choose Life" slogan to the state to interpret it.
    2) The government did not define language.
    3) Courts have to interpret things all the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Furthermore this is so goddamn stupid considering bumper stickers are available that read: "pro-life" and "pro-choice."
    The fact that there are bumperstickers in the world is irrelevant to the question of whether or not the govt should make forums for political expression which it controls available to all of its citizens.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I could care less if a pro-choice group wanted a plate that said "pro-choice." Apparently that has already happened, and they were (wrongly) shot down.
    Disagreed. If the people of North Carolina wanted a state legislature that would approve of pro-abortion messages on custom state license plates, they would have voted for such a legislature. They did not. There is no obligation on the part of the legislature to allow any custom license playes whatsoever, and they certainly could not hope to have a plate for every fringe minority group.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Now you're just being absurd.
    It seems that you're the one who posted that the only way the legislature of NC would run afoul of the text of the First Amendment.
    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    And I say again that in no way was the legislature of North Carolina abridging the freedom of speech of its citizens... Which is the only way it would actually run afoul of the text of the First Amendment.
    I found that assertion absurd as well. Especially from someone who has emphasized his knowledge of the FA.
    But, I didn't make that statement.
    I may be wrong.

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