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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Given that "government funds abortion alternatives via the revenue from license plates" is not the issue at hand, you are indeed talking about another issue.
    the issue is still about who is allowed access to govt controlled venues for political speech.
    It's really not about abortion. It could have been any political issue afaict.

    Bigfoot, Illuminati, C'Thulu, UFOs.
    How many more times do I need to bring these up before they become relevant? What is the number?

    Some people may say all sorts of things. But many of those things, like the snippet of yours quoted above, are different from the issue addressed in this court case.
    "Pro-life" is not political speech, not to mention there is nothing in the constitution that says government cant endorse "political speech."

    "Implications" hold zero water in court.

    Judges have no right to legally define a slogan either.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    "Pro-life" is not political speech...
    In some abstract sense which is far removed from the world we live in, you're right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    not to mention there is nothing in the constitution that says government cant endorse "political speech."
    Again, the issue isn't about the gov "endorsing political speech." The issue us that govt controlled venues for public political speech must be available to all of the citizens.
    Though you're getting warmer.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    "Implications" hold zero water in court.
    But buckets do as long as they're upright and don't have holes in them.
    Non-sequitur for a non-sequitur.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Judges have no right to legally define a slogan either.
    There's no indication that this happened in this case.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Yeah, you're right. I probablly won't be reading the first amendment again anytime soon. What with having studied it for the California bar exam, the two semesters of ConLaw I had in law school, and the third semester I had just on first amendment law I've got it pretty well memorized.

    The fact that you think simply reading the amendment is enough to understand how it operates tells me everything I need to know about your knowledge (or rather lack thereof) on the subject.
    I will neither be feigning shock that a person on an internet debate site claims to be of a profession relevant to the topic at hand, nor at the possibility of veritable legions of clueless lawyers who took Constitutional Law from professors that despise the document, such as our current president.

    And I say again that in no way was the legislature of North Carolina abridging the freedom of speech of its citizens... Which is the only way it would actually run afoul of the text of the First Amendment.

    So regardless of your claim you might need a refresher.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    "Pro-life" is not political speech, not to mention there is nothing in the constitution that says government cant endorse "political speech."
    If it is not political then why are there so many laws being enacted by politicians regarding abortion?

    As for Constitutional law...Sorry but if I need Constitutional law defended I sure wouldn't go to you. You've already shown that you know nothing about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Judges have no right to legally define a slogan either.
    Show me where the judge in the OP did this.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The government does not fund abortions. If you think that this is true then certainly you can show me the exact figures that came directly from the government and went directly to even one abortion patient in PP.
    No the tax payers fund the government, the government funds Planned Parenthood and planned parenthood keeps their books sealed.

    Considering PP offers abortions, and they are funded by the government they are IN FACT using tax dollars for abortions.

    Do you really believe that planned parenthood "separates" their funds? because in order for you to be correct that would have to be the case.

    Please don't insult my intelligence...

    Can I prove they're using taxpayer dollars for abortions? no, however I'm not an idiot, and I know government is funding the organization.

    Can you prove 2+2+4??

    Can you show me air?

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    I will neither be feigning shock that a person an internet debate site claims to be of a profession relevant to the topic at hand, nor at the possibility of veritable legions of clueless lawyers who took Constitutional Law from professors that despise the document, such as our current president.

    And I say again that in no way was the legislature of North Carolina abridging the freedom of speech of its citizens... Which is the only way it would actually run afoul of the text of the First Amendment.
    By providing a public forum to which certain people were allowed to express thier speech and then denying that same venue to another group to express thier speech then yes...the 1st amendment was broken.

    Where would this country be if black people were never allowed to hold protests? Where would this country be if MLK was not allowed to speak in a public forum?
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    If it is not political then why are there so many laws being enacted by politicians regarding abortion?

    As for Constitutional law...Sorry but if I need Constitutional law defended I sure wouldn't go to you. You've already shown that you know nothing about it.



    Show me where the judge in the OP did this.
    You do realize abortion is murder? I don't understand why progressives don't comprehend that!

    In short - me killing you would be no different than a woman having an abortion.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    And I say again that in no way was the legislature of North Carolina abridging the freedom of speech of its citizens... Which is the only way it would actually run afoul of the text of the First Amendment.
    so the first amendment only deal with freedom of speech you say?
    Perhaps you should heed the advice of the following poster:
    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    ...you might need a refresher.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    No the tax payers fund the government, the government funds Planned Parenthood and planned parenthood keeps their books sealed.

    Considering PP offers abortions, and they are funded by the government they are IN FACT using tax dollars for abortions.

    Do you really believe that planned parenthood "separates" their funds? because in order for you to be correct that would have to be the case.

    Please don't insult my intelligence...

    Can I prove they're using taxpayer dollars for abortions? no, however I'm not an idiot, and I know government is funding the organization.

    Can you prove 2+2+4??

    Can you show me air?
    Then you know nothing of how those funds are allocated. In case you didn't know it but PP is required by law to show to the government where each and every single penny goes.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    You do realize abortion is murder? I don't understand why progressives don't comprehend that!

    In short - me killing you would be no different than a woman having an abortion.
    Abortion is not murder. In order for there to be murder then the killing of a PERSON must happen. A ZEF is not a PERSON. The judges have already ruled on this.
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