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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Again, there is nothing in the Constitution that says that any particular political slogan or turn of phrase must be issued on custom state license plates.

    But one should never be surprised by the potential of activist judges - AKA morons - to hallucinate what they want into the text.
    You really need to stop weighing in on constitutional topics because you clearly have no earthly idea what you're talking about. The issue here is whether or not the government may discriminate based on viewpoint in providing access to a public forum in their control. Since they cannot do so, their refusal to allow a pro-choice message on that forum, while allowing an anti-choice message on that forum, is unconstitutional.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Bigfoot, Illuminati, C'Thulu, UFOs.
    How many more times do I need to bring these up before they become relevant? What is the number?
    I think Chthulhu should be relevant to every topic, but maybe that's just me.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    I think Chthulhu should be relevant to every topic, but maybe that's just me.
    That's twice now that one of the following have been brought up in regard to this thread: Bigfoot, Illuminati, C'Thulu, UFOs.

    How many more times until they're relevant? I wonder.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    You really need to stop weighing in on constitutional topics because you clearly have no earthly idea what you're talking about.
    Yes, I do.

    Can you read the First Amendment? Probably. Have you / will you? Probably not.

    I can and have. I'm also lacking the abject retardation required to type the nonsense term "anti-choice."

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    1) Government funding for PP specifically excludes abortion funding.

    2) The constitutionality issue has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not the organization sponsoring the plate funds anti-abortion activities. The only reason that's relevant at all is because it undercuts your earlier contention that the message on the plate could be interpreted to not be anti-abortion.

    3) Since abortion funding is not the topic of this thread, you are changing the subject.
    1) Planned Parenthood does use appropriated public funds for abortions.

    2) It seems the issue people have is that the baby killers have a problem spending on alternative solutions to baby killing - as if preventing abortions is somehow wrong?

    3) My argument is very relative considering the fact that the counterargument is that states shouldn't be allowed to spend revenue collected via license plate sales to prevent abortions.

    Like I said in a previous post - people are saying its OK for Planned Parenthood to receive state funds to abort babies, yet it is wrong for a pro-life organization to receive funds in order to offer an alternative solution.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Yes, I do.

    Can you read the First Amendment? Probably. Have you / will you? Probably not.
    Yeah, you're right. I probablly won't be reading the first amendment again anytime soon. What with having studied it for the California bar exam, the two semesters of ConLaw I had in law school, and the third semester I had just on first amendment law I've got it pretty well memorized.

    The fact that you think simply reading the amendment is enough to understand how it operates tells me everything I need to know about your knowledge (or rather lack thereof) on the subject.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    I can and have. I'm also lacking the abject retardation required to type the nonsense term "anti-choice."
    Why do you want to bust on your fellow DP members like Mr Nick that way?
    Calling people names reflects on you more than on the person you're calling names, imho.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I'm not changing the subject... I'm simply wondering why it is ok that government can fund abortions, yet it is wrong that government funds abortion alternatives via the revenue from license plates?

    If anything the question is absolutely relevant considering it has been brought up on numerous occasions in this thread, not to mention the hypocrisy involved given by those who object.

    You may as well say it's logical for the government to fund abortions but illogical and illegal for the government to fund abortion prevention and intervention or alternative solutions.
    The government does not fund abortions. If you think that this is true then certainly you can show me the exact figures that came directly from the government and went directly to even one abortion patient in PP.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    3) My argument is very relative considering the fact that the counterargument is that states shouldn't be allowed to spend revenue collected via license plate sales to prevent abortions.
    the fact that your irrelevant argument has a counter argument doesn't actually make your irrelevant argument relevant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Like I said in a previous post - people are saying its OK for Planned Parenthood to receive state funds to abort babies, yet it is wrong for a pro-life organization to receive funds in order to offer an alternative solution.
    I am sure there are people saying that somewhere.
    But, it's not at all what the thread is about nor is it what the court decision says.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    1) Planned Parenthood does use appropriated public funds for abortions.
    That is quite simply false, unless by "public funds" you mean "private donations by members of the public."

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    2) It seems the issue people have is that the baby killers have a problem spending on alternative solutions to baby killing - as if preventing abortions is somehow wrong?
    That isn't the issue. The issue is whether or not the government may engage in viewpoint discrimination on a public forum under their control. They cannot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    3) My argument is very relative considering the fact that the counterargument is that states shouldn't be allowed to spend revenue collected via license plate sales to prevent abortions.
    Either you're not reading, or you're not understanding what I've been writing, because that's not at all the counterargument; and in fact, has absolutely nothing to do with this topic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Like I said in a previous post - people are saying its OK for Planned Parenthood to receive state funds to abort babies, yet it is wrong for a pro-life organization to receive funds in order to offer an alternative solution.
    And like I said before, you're both factually wrong and off topiic.

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