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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Are we starting a new topic then? Because PP has absolutely nothing to do with this one.
    Well PP should considering the objections over funding for pro-life activities those plates will allegedly fund.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    The entire legal argument is destroyed by the state simply creating a "choose death" plate?
    It'd probably be better if they allowed people to create their own. But it wouldn't destroy the legal argument. It would be adhering to the principle outlined in the decision.

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    Why do I think the plaintiffs in this case wouldn't find that satisfactory?
    I try not to speculate too much about the internal life of other posters. But if you insist, I could pull something out of thin air.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    And the government funded Planned Parenthood which provides abortions...
    Yet another different issue.
    the issue here isn't about abortions.
    It's about the govt providing access to public venues it creates and controls.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Well PP should considering the objections over funding for pro-life activities those plates will allegedly fund.
    1) There's nothing "alleged" about it. I'm stating facts as discussed in the judge's opinion and freely admitted to by both sides of this case.

    2) You're trying to change the subject. Stop doing that.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    The entire legal argument is destroyed by the state simply creating a "choose death" plate?
    Not unless that's an opposing message that people actually want on their license plates. Remember, the issue here is the government allowing the public to voice one side of a political issue through a medium they control, while the other side is not allowed to do so. The issue would best be resolved by the government allowing the plaintiffs to buy a license plate with the message they actually want to promote (e.g. "support choice" or whatever).

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Again, there is nothing in the Constitution that says that any particular political slogan or turn of phrase must be issued on custom state license plates.

    But one should never be surprised by the potential of activist judges - AKA morons - to hallucinate what they want into the text.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    1) There's nothing "alleged" about it. I'm stating facts as discussed in the judge's opinion and freely admitted to by both sides of this case.

    2) You're trying to change the subject. Stop doing that.
    I'm not changing the subject... I'm simply wondering why it is ok that government can fund abortions, yet it is wrong that government funds abortion alternatives via the revenue from license plates?

    If anything the question is absolutely relevant considering it has been brought up on numerous occasions in this thread, not to mention the hypocrisy involved given by those who object.

    You may as well say it's logical for the government to fund abortions but illogical and illegal for the government to fund abortion prevention and intervention or alternative solutions.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Again, there is nothing in the Constitution that says that any particular political slogan or turn of phrase must be issued on custom state license plates.
    Yes, states are free to issue plain old license plates without anything extra on them.
    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    But one should never be surprised by the potential of activist judges - AKA morons - to hallucinate what they want into the text.
    At least they're not as bad about it as people on the internets.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I'm not changing the subject... I'm simply wondering why it is ok that government can fund abortions, yet it is wrong that government funds abortion alternatives?

    If anything the question is absolutely relevant considering it has been brought up on numerous occasions in this thread, not to mention the hypocrisy involved given by those who object.

    You may as well say it's logical for the government to fund abortions but illogical and illegal for the government to fund abortion prevention and intervention or alternative solutions.
    1) Government funding for PP specifically excludes abortion funding.

    2) The constitutionality issue has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not the organization sponsoring the plate funds anti-abortion activities. The only reason that's relevant at all is because it undercuts your earlier contention that the message on the plate could be interpreted to not be anti-abortion.

    3) Since abortion funding is not the topic of this thread, you are changing the subject.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I'm not changing the subject... I'm simply wondering why it is ok that government can fund abortions, yet it is wrong that government funds abortion alternatives via the revenue from license plates?
    Given that "government funds abortion alternatives via the revenue from license plates" is not the issue at hand, you are indeed talking about another issue.
    the issue is still about who is allowed access to govt controlled venues for political speech.
    It's really not about abortion. It could have been any political issue afaict.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    If anything the question is absolutely relevant considering it has been brought up on numerous occasions in this thread, not to mention the hypocrisy involved given by those who object.
    Bigfoot, Illuminati, C'Thulu, UFOs.
    How many more times do I need to bring these up before they become relevant? What is the number?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    You may as well say it's logical for the government to fund abortions but illogical and illegal for the government to fund abortion prevention and intervention or alternative solutions.
    Some people may say all sorts of things. But many of those things, like the snippet of yours quoted above, are different from the issue addressed in this court case.
    I may be wrong.

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