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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by BayToBay View Post
    If some other view on abortion wants a plate they should get it.

    Those claiming the judge was wrong have shown nothing but ignorance on constitutional matters. They have even argued he should have created pro choice plates which is a power he clearly does not have.
    I like the assumption that the judge ruled on spurious grounds based on his personal beliefs. That assumption may say more about the assumer than the judge. idk
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by BayToBay View Post
    If some other view on abortion wants a plate they should get it.

    Those claiming the judge was wrong have shown nothing but ignorance on constitutional matters. They have even argued he should have created pro choice plates which is a power he clearly does not have.
    What he said.

    Those attempting to claim the judge is attempting to abridge the freedom of speech are only using one eye to view this. The judge ruled the state politicians abridged that right by failing to approve a pro-choice plate.

    The claim the pro-life plate could mean anything but the abortion issue is as false as the claim man rode dinosaurs.

    The idea that a Love America plate must have a Hate America plate might be just what the Founders wanted as freedom of speech when writing the Constitution. First they had criticizing their government, England before breaking away. Second a majority were set against a loyalty oath, or pledge- they might see the Love America plate as just that. (later as some gained the Presidency they found themselves not so much in love with citizenry criticizing the Government, but what the hey)

    Some of those apposed to the Judge's ruling opine the judge could just wave his magic gavel and create a pro-choice plate. Ummm that would be an activist judge by most 'conservative' yardsticks.

    I'll bet a shiny Free State of Texas Nickel the ruling stands...

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Perhaps you should have. The judge denied NC from printing "choose life" plates and issueing them because the state denied pro-choice (its opposite in the abortion topic) 6 times to have thier own slogan on the plates. His ruling was based on the state denying free speech to one group while allowing it for another group in the same state sponsored venue.
    My assumption was correct either way...

    I wouldn't have a problem with a "pro-choice" or "pro-life" plate if I was a judge. Both don't infringe on any civil liberties nor does it imply government is indorsing any position (not that even that is a constitutional issue).

    I think the better question to ask is who the hell would want such a slogan on their license plate considering they make something called a bumper sticker - not to mention license plate liners.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    It shows you how deranged and ignorant some judges are.
    This is what happens when idiots find themselves in a position of power.
    I didn't read the ruling, but I'm assuming (and ironically) it was a First Amendment issue and the judge is a progressive?
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    My assumption was correct either way...
    Your assumption is incorrect either way.
    There's no indication that the judge is progressive.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I think these conflicts exits mostly on your side of the keyboard.
    What conflicts? I asked several questions that MUST be answered. The problem is, as you well know by your trite responses, you can't answer them.

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    He's a Reagan appointee.
    Irrelevant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I think it's absurd how quickly things devolve into an attempt to discredit someone rather than dealing with the issues at hand. But that's just me.

    LOL. What Irony. Maybe those issues only exist on your side of the keyboard.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Your assumption is incorrect either way.
    There's no indication that the judge is progressive.
    Look, I don't know what the political affiliation of the judge is - I can only assume.

    As an individual who knows law, I can tell you that a "pro-choice" or "pro-life" license plate doesn't violate any persons rights and it certainly doesn't endorse any idea. With that said - I have no idea why the idea was shot down beyond the fact that another idiot judge denied the pro-choice movement to have their "pro-choice" plates.

    IMO, both are stupid ideas considering (as I pointed out in a previous post) that one can just buy a bumper sticker or license plate liner that says "pro-life" or "pro-choice" so what the hell is the problem?

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    What conflicts? I asked several questions that MUST be answered. The problem is, as you well know by your trite responses, you can't answer them.
    I could, but why bother? I don't see them as relevant. I think the questions arise from your misunderstanding and lack of info.
    You're free to see my disinclination to respond as a victory on your part if you wish.
    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    Irrelevant.
    It's exactly as irrelevant as your charge that the judge is "nothing more than a leftwing hack"
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    LOL. What Irony. Maybe those issues only exist on your side of the keyboard.
    My enjoyment reside entirely here.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    As an individual who knows law, I can tell you that a "pro-choice" or "pro-life" license plate doesn't violate any persons rights and it certainly doesn't endorse any idea.
    Not really the issue is it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    With that said - I have no idea why the idea was shot down beyond the fact that another idiot judge denied the pro-choice movement to have their "pro-choice" plates.
    Is there some indication that a judge "judge denied the pro-choice movement to have their "pro-choice" plates" instead of the state legislature as was reported in the article in the OP

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    IMO, both are stupid ideas considering (as I pointed out in a previous post) that one can just buy a bumper sticker or license plate liner that says "pro-life" or "pro-choice" so what the hell is the problem?
    The problem has been stated in what seems to be clear language. But I can state it again if you really think it would help. FYI, it's not related to abortion or the message of the plates.

    The state provided a public venue for the expression of political opinion w/o providing equal access for all citizens.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Not really the issue is it?

    Is there some indication that a judge "judge denied the pro-choice movement to have their "pro-choice" plates" instead of the state legislature as was reported in the article in the OP

    The problem has been stated in what seems to be clear language. But I can state it again if you really think it would help. FYI, it's not related to abortion or the message of the plates.

    The state provided a public venue for the expression of political opinion w/o providing equal access for all citizens.
    Dude you're not even on the same page as I am...

    I've tried to explain my position and what the correct ruling should have been as simply as I can.

    A) All sides are wrong, B) the judge(s) (both of them) who turned down pro-life and pro-choice plates are wrong C) yes "pro-choice" plates were tried hence the precedent for this ruling D) I could care less about what license plates people want.

    It's comical that this is even a debate or discussion considering the fact people can buy bumper stickers (or make their own) that can say or imply anything they want them to.

    Hell, our country is going to hell and we're arguing about license plate slogans - despite the overlooked fact people can buy bumper stickers.

    Talk about a waste of time and energy.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post
    One second you are babbling about constitutional law and now you are asking about a state law?? Can you ever stay on topic??
    This whole topic is about a state law supposedly violating the constitution. Which can happen, given the 14th and the doctrine of incorporation, but in this case, has not happened.

    Your lack of ability to read is not my problem.

    I don't have to find a state law because this issue is about the constitution.. You do know that is federal law don't you?? Which trumps state?? The ruling was about the constitution and not state law..

    Come on Jay.. Get with the program here..
    See above. Purchase the program and read it for yourself.

    Government entities are not protected under free speech.. Having said that, in this case, the free speech of the people is violated when both views of this issue are not equally voiced..

    This is why it is very dangerous for the government to get involved in political propaganda..

    You are just pissed off because this is an issue you agree with and you can't stand it that a ruling has been made against your views.. Well.. You conservatives claim you want to live by the constitution.. So live by it.. Nuff said..
    Already responded to this line of pure derpery, and already responded in a way that renders this statement yet another ignorant and inaccurate bit of speculation on your part, and yet another example of your inability to read.

    Nowhere did I say that the people of a state have a right to license plates that have little slogans on them, of ANY kind. Neither is the state prohibited from offering them. The Constitution says nothing about this topic.
    Furthermore, by offering "Support the Troops" license plates, the state is not in any way obligated to provide "**** the Troops in the @#$ With a Rusty Pole" license plates. The latter is probably a minority view in North Carolina as well, I assume, but it is a valid thought from a free speech perspective, is it not?

    Already said all the above. It was already ''nuff said."

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