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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post
    Pro-life is actually pro-death.. Don't let the word life fool you.. They would rather allow both the mother and the baby to die than simply allow abortion.. They don't support birth control which prevents countless abortions.. Not to mention, that after the baby is born, they could care less what happens to it.. They don't want to pay for healthcare, education, or anything.. It will just starve to death on the streets if it were up to them.. That is the view of the so called pro-life crowed.. So make no mistake.. The only pro-life choice is pro-choice..
    Wow. Trollo-lo-lo-lo-lol, eh? Several truly awful fallacies contained in one short bit of text.

    a) Death from pregnancy is rare. Death that can actually be averted by an abortion is extremely rare. People that don't feel that in those extremely rare circumstances that you should save the patient you can save are even more rare than that.

    b) Who doesn't "support birth control?" People should buy products to prevent pregnancy and use them if they intend to have one specific type of sex and don't want to become pregnant. This view is essentially universal.

    c) You don't have to be a socialist to support the actual human right to life.

    d) None of this has anything to do with the topic of this thread.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Trollo-lo-lo-lo-lo-lo...

    Wow. Trollo-lo-lo-lo-lol, eh? Several truly awful fallacies contained in one short bit of text.

    a) Death from pregnancy is rare. Death that can actually be averted by an abortion is extremely rare. People that don't feel that in those extremely rare circumstances that you should save the patient you can save are even more rare than that.

    b) Who doesn't "support birth control?" People should buy products to prevent pregnancy and use them if they intend to have one specific type of sex and don't want to become pregnant. This view is essentially universal.

    c) You don't have to be a socialist to support the actual human right to life.

    d) None of this has anything to do with the topic of this thread.
    Still the same old Jay.. Your version of disagreeing with someone is to call them a troll.. How sad..

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If it is a political view it is quite a benign one, wouldn't you say?
    The relative nenignness or malignancy of a view is irrelevant afaict from reading the blurb in the OP.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    A "I love America" plate would have to be accompanied by a "I hate America" plate?
    Something tells me this Constitution is not what the Founders wrote.
    Something tells me that the FF did not want the State to only allow select views to have the benefit of a govt provided public forum.
    If it can clearly be established something is political speech, then the govt would have to provide equal access to the venue, the license plates, for people who held opposing view.

    The govt can provide no venue. This route would ensure equal opportunity. I suspect this will be the upshot.

    Or the gov can provide an easily customizable venue as I suggested upthread. I wish this would be the outcome.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Not really, no. The government may not abridge freedom of speech. If they made a law saying pro-abortionists could not talk about their odious, barbaric views, then the state government would be violating the first amendment. Otherwise, nah.
    Dude.. License plates are issued by the government, not the people.. Therefore freedom of speech doesn't apply.. What part of that do you not understand??

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    It shows you how deranged and ignorant some judges are.
    This is what happens when idiots find themselves in a position of power.
    I didn't read the ruling, but I'm assuming (and ironically) it was a First Amendment issue and the judge is a progressive?
    emphasis added

    He was Reagan appointee.

    What is conservative about allowing the gov to pick and choose which political voice may use a govt provided public venue? Doesn't seem like a conservative value afaict. It reeks more of authoritarianism and state run societies imho. ymmv
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post
    Dude.. License plates are issued by the government, not the people.. Therefore freedom of speech doesn't apply.. What part of that do you not understand??
    Please cite the law created by the North Carolina legislature that prevents and punishes, by law, the issuing of pro-abortion statements. Such a law would assuredly be unconstitutional.

    People have a right to believe that killing the innocent is morally acceptable, and they have a right to tell others of their horrible beliefs so that people can judge them accordingly.

    They don't necessarily have a right to have a license plate to help them proclaim their odious views. If the state puts one out, fine. If they don't, also fine. But there's nothing unconstitutional about putting one out OR NOT putting one out.

    What part of the plain English text document DO YOU not understand? Probably all of it, at this rate...



    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post
    Still the same old Jay.. Your version of disagreeing with someone is to call them a troll.. How sad..
    This statement is, was, and always will be...

    Not to mention, that after the baby is born, they could care less what happens to it.
    ... exactly what you're trying to deny it to be. It's bad faith rubbish.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If, as you claim, Christians are having abortions then "they" can hardly be Christians.
    This is true as Christian never sin. Even a single sin disqualifies you from receiving grace. "Grace" is really a misnomer as one has to earn redemption from original sin by never sinning, ever.
    One single sin is all it takes to keep you from being a Christian.

    Everyone knows that.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Even if it was "propaganda" it shouldn't be banned because it breaks no law, nor does it violate the constitution.
    It's not banned, afaict.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    However there is no legal reason why someone shouldn't have the right to have a plate that reads that.
    Current evidence indicates that they do indeed still have a right to such a thing. The court doesn't seem to have said what you think it has said.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    In order to make such a ruling...
    The judge seems to have made a ruling which is different from the one you're imagining he made, afaict. ymmv
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    It will be overturned.
    On what grounds? I am not sure you understand the ruling to start.

    I'll bet a donation to DP that it won't be overturned.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    It's not the "pro life" croweds fault that the pro-choice crowed didn't step up and petition for a "pro-choice" plate...
    If you read a little of the article linked in the OP, you might notice that "the pro-choice crowed" did make such a petition.
    I may be wrong.

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