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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Also Congress - and by extension of the 14th and incorporation, state legislatures may not abridge speech. They cannot establish a religion, nor prohibit individuals from freely exercising their religion. There is a difference. The text is again, plain, and people like to gussy it up and pretend things that aren't there are somehow there...

    "Allah is #1" is a perfectly valid thing for an individual to say or believe - free speech - but the state cannot put it on a bench, because that runs afoul of establishment.

    In short, you've taken this into a relatively unrelated tangent.
    Actually the State can allow "Christianity #1" or "Allah #1" so long as they do not deny the same venue to any other religion. The State cannot endorse one religion over another. But they can allow everyone that applies the same venue. Religious or not.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So the pro choice people don't support life? That would seem to be the case anyway. Any idea why that is? Can their own lives be that desperate and gloomy that they wouldn't wish it on other human beings?
    Who ever said this? The whole point here is that the pro-life movement was allowed to advertise on a certain State property venue while the pro-choice side was denied 6 times to do the same.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Shouldn't it be everyone's motto? Where do you find the harm?
    Shouldn't Pro-choice be everyone's motto also? Where do you find the harm?
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    It shows you how deranged and ignorant some judges are.

    This is what happens when idiots find themselves in a position of power.

    I didn't read the ruling, but I'm assuming (and ironically) it was a First Amendment issue and the judge is a progressive?
    Perhaps you should have. The judge denied NC from printing "choose life" plates and issueing them because the state denied pro-choice (its opposite in the abortion topic) 6 times to have thier own slogan on the plates. His ruling was based on the state denying free speech to one group while allowing it for another group in the same state sponsored venue.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    Fine. The Judge should order them to make a "Choose Murder" license plate for all that want to promote their views.
    The judge cannot make legislation. They can only strike down legislation.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Even if it was "propaganda" it shouldn't be banned because it breaks no law, nor does it violate the constitution.

    I'm pro-life but I don't understand why anyone would want a plate that reads "choose life" when you can just buy a bumper sticker that says that. However there is no legal reason why someone shouldn't have the right to have a plate that reads that.

    In order to make such a ruling a judge would have to conclude that everyone who is pro-life is religious and that is not true. The judge may as well say all atheists must be pro-choice.... The judge made an idiotic and misguided ruling here and it will certainly be overturned.

    Besides, "choose life" could mean a lot of things from abortions to individuals who had a drug or alcohol addiction and became sober or to some who are just happy to be alive... The way you interpret the slogan is moot. Everyone doesn't think like you.
    Free speech was violated because the state denied the same state sponsored venue to an oppostion faction. And as has been pointed out the "Choose Life" slogan was regarding abortion. It doesn't matter that it could mean anything else. What matters is context. And in this case the context of "Choose Life" was an anti-abortion slogan. It was not "Choose Life" in opposition to war, the death penalty, suicide or anything else. It was "Choose Life" in opposition to abortion. To claim anything else is straight up lieing.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Offer a "pro-death" or "pro-choice" plate then...

    So what if the money goes to an organization that provides alternative solutions...

    It's not the "pro life" croweds fault that the pro-choice crowed didn't step up and petition for a "pro-choice" plate...
    Tell this to the State. The judge cannot legislate. Only strike down legislation.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    You don't understand my point.

    It's not the "pro-life" movements fault that there is not an "alternative" plate.

    You would think a judge would have enough common sense to figure that one out, or maybe not.
    No one said that it was the pro-life movements fault. It was the states fault. And the state got spanked for it in the only way that the judge could. Again, the judge cannot make legislation, only strike it down. If the judge had ordered the state to create a pro-choice plate then he would have been making legislation.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    I find it interesting the sort of illogical dualism found in the idea of "you must present the opposing view". There is not a black and white divide on abortion, there are many shades of grey. Who determines the initial meaning, and who chooses what it considered its opposite? You could even argue the "kids first" logo was "pro-life" if you want to dive into the semantics, could you not? What of the intermediary views? People that support limited abortions? What would their logo be? And, again, we determines all this?

    What sort of absurdity is all this? Almost as absurd as the complete ignorance of the constitution by a judge who is nothing more than a leftwing hack and/or someone trying to score political points for some reason or other. Don't bother continuing to yammer about it being anything else.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post
    The government must remain nuetral when it comes to political issues..
    Not really, no. The government may not abridge freedom of speech. If they made a law saying pro-abortionists could not talk about their odious, barbaric views, then the state government would be violating the first amendment. Otherwise, nah.

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