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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Besides, "choose life" isn't even religious... I'm sure there are plenty of atheists and agnostics who believe abortion is wrong too.
    Maybe they should have said they were just fans of these guys:

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by BayToBay View Post
    It's propoganda used by opponents of legal abortions. Quit lying. Any decent judge would have your ass for offering up that nonsense as a legitimate argument.

    It has nothing to with it being religious. It's a violation of the first amendment's protection of free speech because NC is practicing viewpoint discrimination.
    Even if it was "propaganda" it shouldn't be banned because it breaks no law, nor does it violate the constitution.

    I'm pro-life but I don't understand why anyone would want a plate that reads "choose life" when you can just buy a bumper sticker that says that. However there is no legal reason why someone shouldn't have the right to have a plate that reads that.

    In order to make such a ruling a judge would have to conclude that everyone who is pro-life is religious and that is not true. The judge may as well say all atheists must be pro-choice.... The judge made an idiotic and misguided ruling here and it will certainly be overturned.

    Besides, "choose life" could mean a lot of things from abortions to individuals who had a drug or alcohol addiction and became sober or to some who are just happy to be alive... The way you interpret the slogan is moot. Everyone doesn't think like you.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Maybe they should have said they were just fans of these guys:

    wham.jpg

    Precisely my point.

    "Choose life" can mean different things to different people. I'm sure we can all agree that George Michael is different.

    Also, I don't want to know why you remember George Michael (and Wham) sporting a "choose life" t-shirt hahahaha.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    In order to make such a ruling a judge would have to conclude that everyone who is pro-life is religious and that is not true. The judge may as well say all atheists must be pro-choice.... The judge made an idiotic and misguided ruling here and it will certainly be overturned.
    He concluded that the government can't offer only one side of political speech without offering the other as a choice. His ruling had nothing to do with religion.

    Besides, "choose life" could mean a lot of things from abortions to individuals who had a drug or alcohol addiction and became sober or to some who are just happy to be alive... The way you interpret the slogan is moot. Everyone doesn't think like you.
    In this case it does mean pro-life. $15 of every $25 goes to a clinic that provides alternatives to abortion for pregnant women.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    He concluded that the government can't offer only one side of political speech without offering the other as a choice. His ruling had nothing to do with religion.



    In this case it does mean pro-life. $15 of every $25 goes to a clinic that provides alternatives to abortion for pregnant women.
    Offer a "pro-death" or "pro-choice" plate then...

    So what if the money goes to an organization that provides alternative solutions...

    It's not the "pro life" croweds fault that the pro-choice crowed didn't step up and petition for a "pro-choice" plate...

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Offer a "pro-death" or "pro-choice" plate then...
    Which is what the court ruled. If they offer a pro-choice plate, they can keep the pro-life one.

    So what if the money goes to an organization that provides alternative solutions...
    It just shows it was meant to be a pro-life plate and not something else.

    It's not the "pro life" croweds fault that the pro-choice crowed didn't step up and petition for a "pro-choice" plate...
    They did. It failed six different times in the legislature.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    Which is what the court ruled. If they offer a pro-choice plate, they can keep the pro-life one.



    It just shows it was meant to be a pro-life plate and not something else.



    They did. It failed six different times in the legislature.
    You don't understand my point.

    It's not the "pro-life" movements fault that there is not an "alternative" plate.

    You would think a judge would have enough common sense to figure that one out, or maybe not.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    You don't understand my point.

    It's not the "pro-life" movements fault that there is not an "alternative" plate.

    You would think a judge would have enough common sense to figure that one out, or maybe not.
    Right, its the government's fault that they are only allowing for one side of a political issue to be represented on a license plate. According to the court, the government can't do that. But even more importantly, in my opinion, the government shouldn't do that, even if they can.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    Right, its the government's fault that they are only allowing for one side of a political issue to be represented on a license plate. According to the court, the government can't do that. But even more importantly, in my opinion, the government shouldn't do that, even if they can.
    It's not the pro-life crowed that wants the plates fault there is no alternative plate that says "pro-choice."

    It will be overturned.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    That the ACLU would likely not care.

    Now, if the state allowed "Christianity Rocks!", regardless of it allowed for other religions or not - that would be a different story.
    Why do you think that the ACLU doesn't defend Christianity?

    ACLU fights for Chrisitianity

    That link has other links which has articles of the ACLU fighting for Christians. Was this your whole problem in the OP?
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