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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    there would not have been an issue to begin with.
    There was no constitutional issue to begin with and there still isn't.

    That doesn't stop some judges.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Which is fine and perfectly valid.

    Example:



    When will the "North Carolina - @#$% Our Troops in the @$# with a Rusty Pole!" license plates be coming out, lest we not abridge freedom of speech?

    Afterall, if some people want "Support Our Troops" on their car, that is a political message, and the opposing message may be a minority view in North Carolina but it's just as valid from a free speech perspective, so we can't have the state endorsing one political message and not the other...

    Right?

    Or hey, maybe it's not a matter of running afoul of the actual text of the First Amendment. At all. And this is retarded, which means by extension, so is this judge.
    First, "support our troops" is not a political issue.

    This is directed at both you JayDubya and you H. Lee White. Lets put this issue to another, similar, subject.

    If a state put the words "Allah #1" on a park bench but did not allow "Christianity #1" what would you say?
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Not openly you haven't. But when you make posts like you did in the OP it clearly shows that your position is that you think that NC legislature did the right thing in allowing the "Choose Life" plate while denying the chance for the pro-choice group to have thier own.
    This is your failed inference. I suggest you read the OP again.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    There was no constitutional issue to begin with and there still isn't.

    That doesn't stop some judges.
    Yes actually there is. The state may not deny freedom of speech. They allowed anti-abortionists thier free speech but denied pro-choice thier free speech in the same venue.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    First, "support our troops" is not a political issue.
    Yes, it is. It is a political message.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yes actually there is. The state may not deny freedom of speech.
    And the state did not, AT ALL, which is why there is no issue.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    First, "support our troops" is not a political issue.

    This is directed at both you JayDubya and you H. Lee White. Lets put this issue to another, similar, subject.

    If a state put the words "Allah #1" on a park bench but did not allow "Christianity #1" what would you say?
    That the ACLU would likely not care.

    Now, if the state allowed "Christianity Rocks!", regardless of it allowed for other religions or not - that would be a different story.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Also Congress - and by extension of the 14th and incorporation, state legislatures may not abridge speech. They cannot establish a religion, nor prohibit individuals from freely exercising their religion. There is a difference. The text is again, plain, and people like to gussy it up and pretend things that aren't there are somehow there...

    "Allah is #1" is a perfectly valid thing for an individual to say or believe - free speech - but the state cannot put it on a bench, because that runs afoul of establishment.

    In short, you've taken this into a relatively unrelated tangent.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It seems this is one of those 'coded messages', 'dog whistle' complaints where the two words "Choose Life" are carrying a controversial message that some overly sensitive souls find offensive. They should choose to get a life themselves.
    It is an overt motto of the socalled right to life movement....
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    I would say that the state is not abridging the freedom of speech in any way by permitting or not permitting an optional license plate with whatever slogans people might want on them, because it isn't. At all.

    Others who are literate will say the same thing.
    The government must remain nuetral when it comes to political issues.. There can be no government agenda.. They either create a pro-choice plate or get rid of the pro-life one..

    The ruling is correct.. They can't have one without the other..

    A non governmnet entity can create a bumper sticker saying what ever they want.. The government can not.. Get it??
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yes actually there is. The state may not deny freedom of speech. They allowed anti-abortionists thier free speech but denied pro-choice thier free speech in the same venue.
    So the pro choice people don't support life? That would seem to be the case anyway. Any idea why that is? Can their own lives be that desperate and gloomy that they wouldn't wish it on other human beings?

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