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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What views did they have that could easily fit on a license plate?
    If the words "choose life" can be put on a license plate I'm quote sure the words "pro-choice" or "Your Choice" could fit on a license plate.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You call putting "choose life" on a state issued license plate "advocating", I call it using authority to push your own ideals while denying others the same ability. That is authoritorian.
    None of this negates the soundness of my post.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    I think you need to read a little more as I have never said any such thing.
    You've may never have said it directly. But you have certainly implied it with practically every post you have posted in this thread.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You've may never have said it directly. But you have certainly implied it with practically every post you have posted in this thread.
    I'm sorry that you so very clearly fail to understand what I've did - but then, there's not a lot I can do about that.
    I have not once disagreed with the idea that a state cannot make available a "position x" license plate to the exclusion of a "position -x" license plate.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    From the article:



    The state was giving those apposed to abortion rights the chance to express their view through a state issued item, but not the other.
    It seems this is one of those 'coded messages', 'dog whistle' complaints where the two words "Choose Life" are carrying a controversial message that some overly sensitive souls find offensive. They should choose to get a life themselves.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    a) Yes, it is. An optional license plate that costs you extra money is not the State abridging the freedom of speech in any way.
    You're right. It's not. The abridging of the freedom of speech came when the state refused 6 times to allow people to display the opposing view point on those state issued license plates.

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    b) It isn't as though the position deserves equal footing. As others have cited "Slavery - So Awesome!" or "Domestic Violence Rocks!" are unlikely to become license plate slogans anytime soon. Oh no, people don't have freedom of speech?
    And why won't they become license plate slogans anytime soon? When was the last time that you saw or heard of a license plate that said "Slavery sucks!"? Oh right...odds are...never. When such a thing occurs then you might have a point. Until then you are comparing apples to oranges.

    And all speech deserves equal footing. Even the KKK are allowed to hold thier gatherings and protests and demonstrations with no legal interference from the state. (provided they get a license for such events...just like everyone else has to) The last time that happened the courts ruled in favor of the KKK because the State tried to not let them participate in a state sponsored program due to the KKK's stand on blacks. The courts ruled correctly that time, just as they ruled correctly this time.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    None of this negates the soundness of my post.
    It is only sound to you. I perfer to not allow authoritarian regimes.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You're right. It's not. The abridging of the freedom of speech came when the state refused 6 times to allow people to display the opposing view point on those state issued license plates.
    Which is fine and perfectly valid.

    Example:



    When will the "North Carolina - @#$% Our Troops in the @$# with a Rusty Pole!" license plates be coming out, lest we not abridge freedom of speech?

    Afterall, if some people want "Support Our Troops" on their car, that is a political message, and the opposing message may be a minority view in North Carolina but it's just as valid from a free speech perspective, so we can't have the state endorsing one political message and not the other...

    Right?

    Or hey, maybe it's not a matter of running afoul of the actual text of the First Amendment. At all. And this is retarded, which means by extension, so is this judge.


    In no way WHATSOEVER does the ability or lack of ability to buy a custom license plate involve the state abridging the freedom of speech of anyone. The state has to issue license plates. The standard one has no political message whatsoever.

    Regardless of whatever nonstandard license plates you might want to elect, your car is your property - you can place bumper stickers to your heart's content. You can stand on top of your car and yell your views all you want to. The state is abridging nothing.



    Stretching the first amendment to mean more than it actually does leads to judicial / legal lunacy like this.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It is only sound to you.
    It is sound, period - soundess is not a matter of opinion.
    Now, if you think you can show it to be unsound, be my guest, but simply saying you disagree doesn't cut it.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    I'm sorry that you so very clearly fail to understand what I've did - but then, there's not a lot I can do about that.
    I have not once disagreed with the idea that a state cannot make available a "position x" license plate to the exclusion of a "position -x" license plate.
    Not openly you haven't. But when you make posts like you did in the OP it clearly shows that your position is that you think that NC legislature did the right thing in allowing the "Choose Life" plate while denying the chance for the pro-choice group to have thier own. Otherwise you would be taking into account and not ignoring that the court did not ban NC from displaying those plates. They banned them from displaying those plates so long as they (the state) denied the pro-choice group to have thier own plate.

    If North Carolina allowed the pro-choice group the ability to display thier own logo on a license plate along with the anti-abortionists stance of "Choose Life" then the court would not have ruled they way they did. Indeed it never would have made it to them as there would not have been an issue to begin with.
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