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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    But that is what is at the heart of the issue. You say that the courts are not allowing free speech because they wouldn't let NC distribute those "Choose Life" plates. While totally ignoring that they only ruled that way because NC denied the same ability to the opposing faction. The courts did not rule that NC couldn't provide the Choose Life plates. They ruled that NC could not provide the Choose Life plates if they denied the ability for the pro-choice side to have plates that represented thier views. So long as NC denies the free speech of the pro-choice side then they must deny the speech of the anti-abortion side. The same arguement is used whenever religion comes up. If the State allows one form of speech then they cannot deny the opposing view point of speech.

    That is what it means to have free speech. Allowing every view point to be expressed. You do not have free speech when you allow one side to announce thier views but deny the other side to do the same. You have to take the good along with the bad in actual, real, free speech. Free speech is not "you can only say what I want you to say and must shut up on anything else".
    What views did they have that could easily fit on a license plate?

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    But that is what is at the heart of the issue. You say that the courts are not allowing free speech because they wouldn't let NC distribute those "Choose Life" plates. While totally ignoring that they only ruled that way because NC denied the same ability to the opposing faction.
    I think you need to read a little more as I have never said any such thing.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It's not free speech when a State prevents equal footing.
    a) Yes, it is. An optional license plate that costs you extra money is not the State abridging the freedom of speech in any way.

    b) It isn't as though the position deserves equal footing. As others have cited "Slavery - So Awesome!" or "Domestic Violence Rocks!" are unlikely to become license plate slogans anytime soon. Oh no, people don't have freedom of speech?

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post
    I just have to wonder what this thread would look like if a pro gay marriage license plate was ruled unconstitutional??
    I would say that the state is not abridging the freedom of speech in any way by permitting or not permitting an optional license plate with whatever slogans people might want on them, because it isn't. At all.

    Others who are literate will say the same thing.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    They could just put a little Jesus Fish on their car and save a ton of money that they could give to adoption efforts. Just sayin, pick your battles......

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What views did they have that could easily fit on a license plate?
    I think you totally missed the point. The opposing groups offered 6 view statements that would fit on a license plate. All were refused. That is the issue in the court case. Not whether Choose Life is a valid plate or not.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    a) Yes, it is. An optional license plate that costs you extra money is not the State abridging the freedom of speech in any way.
    The state has created venue in which citizens can express their political opinions. Which citizens should have access to that venue?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Others who are literate will say the same thing.
    Others whose heart beats and whose lung inhale and exhale and whose stomach digests will say the same thing.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    I hate that term... "Reproductive Freedom"
    Good post. There is no reproduction involved in abortion.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    Advocating that you make a particular choice does not deny the existence of other choices, or present the idea that there shouldbe no other choices.
    You call putting "choose life" on a state issued license plate "advocating", I call it using authority to push your own ideals while denying others the same ability. That is authoritorian.
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