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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    These should also be dropped based on the judge's rule, correct? I would have added the dozen or so NASCAR plates since they don't offer Dick Trickle, but I think you see the point.

    Not sure that all of those constitute political speech.

    I'd say that the NRA comes closest as it is an organization which actively engages in lobbying activities.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    Now tell me - and do try to be honest:
    Do you believe the ACLU would sue because a state offered anti-slavery plates to the exclusion of pro-slavery plates?
    If they had a client who could show he had standing, why wouldn't they? They have stood up for the rights of Americans with all sorts of unsavory opinions.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It's not free speech when a State prevents equal footing.
    That's very clearly not the issue I spoke to.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    More intellectual dishonesty. You know that is not how "choose life" is being presented. Anti-abortionists are presenting it in the authoritive tone. Not the tone that allows actual choice.
    It says "choose" life, not "Ban abortion".

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I can understand if they refused to allow an opposing view point, but why not just force the state to allow pro-choice license plates instead of banning pro-life ones?
    The state can make the choice. I doubt the court told them they couldn't choose to make the venues available to the opposing viewpoint.

    I suspect the state will short-sightedly choose to stop offering anything which may be construed as political.

    Though I think they should see the opportunity here as I outlined above.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    That's very clearly not the issue I spoke to.
    But that is what is at the heart of the issue. You say that the courts are not allowing free speech because they wouldn't let NC distribute those "Choose Life" plates. While totally ignoring that they only ruled that way because NC denied the same ability to the opposing faction. The courts did not rule that NC couldn't provide the Choose Life plates. They ruled that NC could not provide the Choose Life plates if they denied the ability for the pro-choice side to have plates that represented thier views. So long as NC denies the free speech of the pro-choice side then they must deny the speech of the anti-abortion side. The same arguement is used whenever religion comes up. If the State allows one form of speech then they cannot deny the opposing view point of speech.

    That is what it means to have free speech. Allowing every view point to be expressed. You do not have free speech when you allow one side to announce thier views but deny the other side to do the same. You have to take the good along with the bad in actual, real, free speech. Free speech is not "you can only say what I want you to say and must shut up on anything else".
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    It says "choose" life, not "Ban abortion".
    What it says and how it is meant are not always the same thing. You do know the difference between saying something authoritively vs actual allowing of choice don't you?

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Caine View Post
    Uhh... "Support our Troops"
    That is a political view.
    While the slogan has been used by politicians, I don't think that's enough for it to qualify as political speech when it comes from someone else.
    In particular, the organization referenced, supportourtroops.org, is a charity without any obvious political agenda.
    About Support Our Troops®

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    "I Care" with a picture of dogs and cats.
    Again, if there's not a political agenda involved, it may not qualify as political speech.

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    NRA... What about people who hate guns?
    Because the NRA is actively involved with government lobbying, they may or may not fall under the political speech category. The NRA is involved with a number of non-political activities as well.
    I don't know what exactly the test for what is an what is not political speech is.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    What it says and how it is meant are not always the same thing. You do know the difference between saying something authoritively vs actual allowing of choice don't you?
    Advocating that you make a particular choice does not deny the existence of other choices, or present the idea that there shouldbe no other choices.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    I just have to wonder what this thread would look like if a pro gay marriage license plate was ruled unconstitutional?? Anyone here think the righties would still be up and arms about it?? Or would they suddenly understand the constitution because it at point it would be working for them and not against them..

    It always strikes me as odd how if they don't agree with something, they suddenly are ignorant of the constitution.. But if it is something they agree with, they will beat everyone over the head with it..

    The ruling is correct.. There shouldn't be anything to disagree with..

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