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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Seems the issue could be easily resolved then.

    Some like yourself could have "Choose Death" license plates and the less enlightened could have "Choose Life" license plates.
    I consider the chose death license plate simply a warning for other drivers who have chosen the option of driving stupidly around me.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    I just can't believe the twisting and double speak being used in this thread by anti-abortion folks. You all know damn well that the phrase "Choose Life" on those plates was talking about abortion and nothing else. It did not mean "Choose Life" in regards to wars or suicide or anything else. It just refered to abortion period. It is this kind of intellectual dishonesty that turns people away from your base and it certainly is not going to turn anybody TO your base.

    The judge made the right call. It is not the States right to tell people what to think and by denying 6 amendments to introduce pro-choice plates that is exactly what they were trying to do. And yes, I would be saying the same thing if the reverse situation happened.

    As far as the slavery comments.... Get a life. It's apples and oranges. If it has to be explained to you why it is apples and oranges then I would suggest going back to the third grade where slavery started being taught about in school history text books. And as far as the "Choose Death" comments, Pro-Choice =/= "Choose Death". That is just another example of the intellectual dishonesty happening in this thread.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I just can't believe the twisting and double speak being used in this thread by anti-abortion folks. You all know damn well that the phrase "Choose Life" on those plates was talking about abortion and nothing else.
    You do know that "choose life" is, necessarily, a position that recognizes that there is a choice in regards to abortion, right?

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    Judge finds NC ‘Choose Life’ plates unconstitutional | MyFOX8.com

    So.... if NC issued a “Slavery Sucks!” plate, the ACLU would sue if the state does not also offer a “Slavery Rocks!” plate?
    This is basically making an argument from an extreme and demonstrating a desire to completely throw common sense out the window.

    Grasping onto "Slavery" as your example is no different than immedietely jumping to Nazism to make an example. Abortion and Slavery are not on equal footing in terms of their political relevancy and realistic public split.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    This is basically making an argument from an extreme and demonstrating a desire to completely throw common sense out the window.
    Grasping onto "Slavery" as your example is no different than immedietely jumping to Nazism to make an example. Abortion and Slavery are not on equal footing in terms of their political relevancy and realistic public split.
    Seems to me that protected free speech is protected free speech, regardless of some subjective version of "political relevancy".

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    You do know that "choose life" is, necessarily, a position that recognizes that there is a choice in regards to abortion, right?
    More intellectual dishonesty. You know that is not how "choose life" is being presented. Anti-abortionists are presenting it in the authoritive tone. Not the tone that allows actual choice.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    Seems to me that protected free speech is protected free speech, regardless of some subjective version of "political relevancy".
    It's not free speech when a State prevents equal footing.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    How is it a victory for free speech by taking away the ability to voice a viewpoint on a license plate?
    If I read the blurb posted in the OP correctly, the ruling said that the state has to offer venues for the expression of opposing viewpoints of every viewpoint which it allows a venue.

    Affirming the government's obligation to support the voices of all the people instead of the voices of a select portion could reasonably be construed as benefiting free speech, imho.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
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    So.... if NC issued a “Slavery Sucks!” plate, the ACLU would sue if the state does not also offer a “Slavery Rocks!” plate?
    Perhaps. Iirc, it first takes some one to demonstrate that they're being harmed before courts the courts will hear a question like this.
    So, if anyone is into a reality TV drama, they could talk NC into issuing the "slavery sucks" plate and then sue for the shock value of supporting slavery.

    But, yes, I think that's the gist of it.
    What this may mean is either that NC will stop offering plates with political messages.

    But they should instead offer the possibility of more choices and with the options of customization. There's no practical reason why they couldn't. The technology is there.
    Also, they have a sure monopoly on license plates. They could charge whatever they needed to keep however many bazillion designs available and for allowing for customized plates created on a per customer basis.
    But I suspect the govt will lack the vision to pull that off. They probably won't think of it.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No, your point was just kinda stupid. If slavery was an issue in the US today, and the state decided to allow one viewpoint on a license plate but not the other, then and only then would you have a point. As is, your "point" fails miserably.
    It doesn't seem to be relevant if the issue is current. Except if you're going to say that supporting changes to the Constitution to allow slavery is not a political stance.

    If NC decided to allow any political statement to appear in the venue which they control--in this case, the license plate--then they have to allow that same venues to be used by citizens with opposing viewpoints. The courts haven't seemed very concerned as to whether or not the political speech they have protected was that reasonable or palatable.
    I may be wrong.

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