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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What's controversial about saying "Choose Life"? Who is against the concept?
    Since its referring to the pro-life position on abortion, about 40-50% of the country. I just know I'd be pretty angry with the state government if they offered license plates saying pro-choice, anti-war, vote democrat, or any other political issue without offering the other side.

    It really isn't that big of a deal, since it is only a license plate, but in a perfect world they wouldn't be doing it.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    Since its referring to the pro-life position on abortion, about 40-50% of the country. I just know I'd be pretty angry with the state government if they offered license plates saying pro-choice, anti-war, vote democrat, or any other political issue without offering the other side.

    It really isn't that big of a deal, since it is only a license plate, but in a perfect world they wouldn't be doing it.
    You're right of course that it isn't all that big of a deal, I suppose, but the words themselves, "Choose Life", seem to be very positive.

    Why can't we be pro choice and pro life as well?

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You're right of course that it isn't all that big of a deal, I suppose, but the words themselves, "Choose Life", seem to be very positive.

    Why can't we be pro choice and pro life as well?
    You can be pro-choice and pro-life if you just use the words themselves. That isn't what the words represent to the world though. In today's countrywide rhetoric, the terms are mutually exclusive with one believing women have the right to decide to have an abortion and the other side believing the opposite.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    Judge finds NC ‘Choose Life’ plates unconstitutional | MyFOX8.com

    So.... if NC issued a “Slavery Sucks!” plate, the ACLU would sue if the state does not also offer a “Slavery Rocks!” plate?
    I don't think they should ban it, they should just offer both. "Choose life" and "Kill for Convenience". Heheheh
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    You can be pro-choice and pro-life if you just use the words themselves. That isn't what the words represent to the world though. In today's countrywide rhetoric, the terms are mutually exclusive with one believing women have the right to decide to have an abortion and the other side believing the opposite.
    Another great Orwellian doublespeak moment. "Doublespeak is language which pretends to communicate but doesn't. It is language which makes the bad seem good, the negative seem positive, the unpleasant seem unattractive, or at least tolerable. It is language which avoids, shifts or denies responsibility; language which is at variance with its real or purported meaning. It is language which conceals or prevents thought".

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    Since its referring to the pro-life position on abortion, about 40-50% of the country.
    What's the ratiomal basis for the argument against choosing life?

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    What's the ratiomal basis for the argument against choosing life?
    There might not be one. But 40-50% of the population have beliefs against the pro-life position, which the "choose-life" plate refers to. In my opinion the government should not be offering only one side of a controversial issue like that.
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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    If stations must air political ads from any legal party paying for them, due to free speech, then certainly this would be free speech too.

    Fox cannot choose to only show republican ads (though wise democrats probably wouldn't spend equal money there), so certainly the state is bound by at least that much accountability.

    I say the judge got it wrong though, clearly the solution is to offer the alternative viewpoint on a tag, which almost no one would opt for anyway. The abortion debate is framed far more positively on the anti abortion side, so most pro choice people don't advertise it in public much. So very few people would actually put a pro choice plate on thier car.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Is there a "Domestic Violence Rocks" plate out there somewhere?
    Maybe there is, there might be that one guy who believes that women need a good beating.

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    Re: Judge finds NC "Choose Life" plate unconstitutioonal

    Quote Originally Posted by BayToBay View Post
    It should be based on supply and demand. What amounts to campaigning is subjective. For instance, most sports teams are funded through often controversial tax referendums.
    Well, we should get some more profit back from those benefits. let the fans of their team pay more in a voluntary way. personally i am all for getting out of the pro-sports corruption and monopoly and i really do not care about the team owners and the prima donnas that play the game. But i will settle for the fans paying some of the expense through vanity plates the state gets revenue on. It is also not very political and it is not campaigning for some point like anti-abortion plates are.

    they could do like SC. I was about to argue at the DMV because iof all the "in god we trust" license plates in SC until I saw that they actually have an "In reason we trust" Plate for any atheists who want to advertise. Not that very many people have them, but they are available for the same cost. but when you only offer one side it becomes a problem where the state is endorsing a message and giving a venue not open to the other side for the purposes of politicizing something which really should not be political at all.

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