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    Re: Govt. borrows 46 cents of every dollar it spends

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    All of this is irrelevant to the point that no one has suggested that we tax wealth.
    Thus, your failure, for all to see. Again.
    If increasing tax rates on income and capital gains did not decrease wealth, it would not have decreased wealth when we did exactly that after the 1920's, and the wealthy would not be fighting against it now.

    "Redistribution of wealth" they call it! I wonder why they would call it that you reckon?
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    Re: Govt. borrows 46 cents of every dollar it spends

    Quote Originally Posted by betteramerica View Post
    He doesn't get it, raising taxes for the millionaires won't solve our problem. We need to cut spending now.
    You mean like how Congress just voted to spend again next year almost as much as the rest of the world combined on the military? 90 Democrats voted against the spending but not a single Republican.
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    Re: Govt. borrows 46 cents of every dollar it spends

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You mean like how Congress just voted to spend again next year almost as much as the rest of the world combined on the military? 90 Democrats voted against the spending but not a single Republican.
    No I mean health care, gov. stimulus, ect.

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    Re: Govt. borrows 46 cents of every dollar it spends

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    Think beyond those who will benefit directly from the government contracts. ALso, infrastructure involves more than road and bridge building. Still, when people have money in their pockets, they spend more. When more money is being spent, stores have to hire more people. When products are being sold, more people need to be hired to produce those products. This is how a major construction project can spur job growth in many sectors.
    So when Obama proposes trickle-down economics, it works better than when a republican does? I don't think so. Infrastructure is a necessity, but $85B is a drop in the bucket. That is like 1/2 of 1 % of annual GDP and it would not all be spent at once, just budgeted that way. I wouldn't over-estimate the ability of that amount to add velocity in a trickle-down way, but feel free to believe whatever makes you feel good.......

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    Re: Govt. borrows 46 cents of every dollar it spends

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    As Obama is getting over $1 trillion in debt each year, despite all that job growth, there are a couple more examples of where these trillions went.

    The Fisker Electric auto company with the $110,000 sports car, and almost $200,000,000 in Obama Dollars is now on its death bed.

    A123, the company which was supposed to supply the batteries to Fisker, received $133 million of Obama Dollars and is now being sold to the Chinese. It was once valued at $2 billion though there should be some doubt on that number.


    Maybe the idea is to create jobs based on Obama's entrepreneurial and management skills learned in Chicago before favoring American politics but so far the results have been "mixed".
    So all investments are sucessful? That's why capital gains need to be taxed as income. There is no risk involved. I'm glad we agree.

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    Re: Govt. borrows 46 cents of every dollar it spends

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    So when Obama proposes trickle-down economics, it works better than when a republican does? I don't think so. Infrastructure is a necessity, but $85B is a drop in the bucket. That is like 1/2 of 1 % of annual GDP and it would not all be spent at once, just budgeted that way. I wouldn't over-estimate the ability of that amount to add velocity in a trickle-down way, but feel free to believe whatever makes you feel good.......
    Funding employment by rebuilding infrastucture is not trickle down. Giving more money to corporations and tycoons thru tax breaks and regulation changes is trickle down theory. Nice try

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    Re: Govt. borrows 46 cents of every dollar it spends

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Funding employment by rebuilding infrastucture is not trickle down. Giving more money to corporations and tycoons thru tax breaks and regulation changes is trickle down theory. Nice try
    Giving more money to corporations with the hope some of it reaches the peons is trickle down economics. Nice try to divert but it isn't like the Secretary of Transportation is the one paving roads and swinging hammers--big Bizzzzinesses will be.....

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    Re: Govt. borrows 46 cents of every dollar it spends

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    In fact it is important to all of us how other people run their countries because one day we may be strongly effected by their policies. This has happened throughout history. America was at war with Iraq and Afghanistan and Barrack Obama then decides, after many good Service people were killed or wounded, that Iraq was isn't worthwhile (it was) but another is. Then he announces a retreat from that war as well.

    In other American wars there was a continuity of policy, often lasting years as with the Cold war, but everyone knew where America stood. Now there is confusion and malaise, and all coming from the American side. America looks foolish and weak as a result because there is no longer any continuity. This is no longer American Wars being fought, it is Presidential wars, one who decides attack and the next who decides retreat. And as a result foreign interests are already having more interest and input into US politics and policies. America ran from Iraq and now they are retreating from a country that is as third world as they come. This is really opening the US to long term danger.

    Americans are getting killed during these 'training projects' in Afghanistan. Get the hell out now. You have lost. Get the planes ready and move on and the hell with those training programs. You're only training the enemy anyway because the Taleban will be back in power the moment the last plan leaves. ! You want a finely coordinated retreat while Americans are being killed? Run before there are more good people killed.


    So he can buy any company or corporation he wants, fire the president and board of that company, and just have his people take over. He can give tax dollars to any person who fits his personal criteria in order to start up a company of which he approves, again despite not having any training or experience. And you're saying this is okay because it's in the Constitution? I had respected the US Constitution as being second only to the Magna Carta as one of the most important documents ever devised by man but this seems to illegitimatize the entire work of the forefathers if any politician can take taxpayer money and give it away to their political cronies. What surprises further is that many of the American people seem to be okay with this. No wonder Hugo Chavez supports Barrack Obama!



    If the people want the Muslim Brotherhood so be it? I remember a Dem in the Clinton Administration once, during the Clinton administration saying that if the people of Cuba want a communist government they should have one. You don't know anything of the Muslim Brotherhood, do you? You'll see it in Libya and Iraq in a decade.



    Really? Where does BHO want to reduce spending? Does it come anywhere near $1,000,000,000,000 a year?



    So you think all that money is stored away is a safe place somewhere ready to be accessed when you need it?



    And all these jobs will be paid for with money the American people don't have, keeping in mind that the government has to repay over $16,000,000,000,000 before they have nothing. So how will they pay for it? Borrow the money? Print it? My guess is on the latter because their credit has already been downgraded and will be downgraded again. Inflation is coming.


    How is he going to stop corporations from moving overseas? Force people to stay? Put up a Berlin type Wall? At one time not that long ago everyone wanted to invest in the US, that is was a safe place to put your money, and entrepreneurial types were confident that this was the place to follow their dream. What went wrong? Have you given that much thought?

    Maybe it was all George Bush, huh?
    First of all, we should have never went into Iraq. It is not our place to tell other countries how to run things. The UN governs UN members and the US shouldn't step outside of UN authority. Other countries don't like the way we run our country and if another country tried to come here and take over, we would view that as wrong. We can't conduct our business with double standards. That gives us a bad reputation and the world will start seeing us as the ones who need to be taken out.
    The President can follow the guidelines set forth by TARP, which congress enacted and GW Bush signed into law. TARP grants the president the power to help companies that are troubled as to avoid the problems it would cause to the economy. Obama bailing out the auto industry, for example, saved jobs and prevented the economy from going into a deeper recession. There is nothing in the constitution that says the president must have business experience in order to use his power in business matters.
    OBama has already cut millitary spending and medicare spending. It's crazy to think Obama wants to just spend money because it's fun or whatever. The issues is on what we should spend money on. We should spend more money on job creation, because that would being in more revenue. That is wise spending, but if congress will not pass the jobs bill then the economy will remain sluggish. The people will have more money once they get jobs. This is basic economics 101. I don't see why it's so hard for people like you to understand. Spend money to make money is simple.
    As for SS, yes, SS funds are held in a trust fund to pay out benefits. Some of that money is invested.
    You talk a big talk about cutting spending, but you don't see that we should cut subsudies to corporations that ship jobs overseas? Really? Why should we reward companies with our tax money if they are not helping our economy. That makes no sense. If we cut out the tax breaks and subsudies to corporations that do not reinvest in our economy, they will either move or create jobs here in the US.

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    Re: Govt. borrows 46 cents of every dollar it spends

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So all investments are sucessful?
    No not all investments are successful so I can only assume you've been seriously misinformed by someone who you should not have trusted.

    That's why capital gains need to be taxed as income.
    Again, you don;t seem to quite understand what's at play here.
    There is no risk involved.
    No risk involved? Do you understand the nature of many of these investments?

    I'm glad we agree.
    On what?

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    Re: Govt. borrows 46 cents of every dollar it spends

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Funding employment by rebuilding infrastucture is not trickle down. Giving more money to corporations and tycoons thru tax breaks and regulation changes is trickle down theory. Nice try
    It will be interesting to watch Barrack Obama supervising where the materials go and then handing out the paychecks. I hope his engineering skills are better than his entrepreneurial skills.

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