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    Re: Govt. borrows 46 cents of every dollar it spends

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    In fact it is important to all of us how other people run their countries because one day we may be strongly effected by their policies. This has happened throughout history. America was at war with Iraq and Afghanistan and Barrack Obama then decides, after many good Service people were killed or wounded, that Iraq was isn't worthwhile (it was) but another is. Then he announces a retreat from that war as well.

    In other American wars there was a continuity of policy, often lasting years as with the Cold war, but everyone knew where America stood. Now there is confusion and malaise, and all coming from the American side. America looks foolish and weak as a result because there is no longer any continuity. This is no longer American Wars being fought, it is Presidential wars, one who decides attack and the next who decides retreat. And as a result foreign interests are already having more interest and input into US politics and policies. America ran from Iraq and now they are retreating from a country that is as third world as they come. This is really opening the US to long term danger.

    Americans are getting killed during these 'training projects' in Afghanistan. Get the hell out now. You have lost. Get the planes ready and move on and the hell with those training programs. You're only training the enemy anyway because the Taleban will be back in power the moment the last plan leaves. ! You want a finely coordinated retreat while Americans are being killed? Run before there are more good people killed.


    So he can buy any company or corporation he wants, fire the president and board of that company, and just have his people take over. He can give tax dollars to any person who fits his personal criteria in order to start up a company of which he approves, again despite not having any training or experience. And you're saying this is okay because it's in the Constitution? I had respected the US Constitution as being second only to the Magna Carta as one of the most important documents ever devised by man but this seems to illegitimatize the entire work of the forefathers if any politician can take taxpayer money and give it away to their political cronies. What surprises further is that many of the American people seem to be okay with this. No wonder Hugo Chavez supports Barrack Obama!



    If the people want the Muslim Brotherhood so be it? I remember a Dem in the Clinton Administration once, during the Clinton administration saying that if the people of Cuba want a communist government they should have one. You don't know anything of the Muslim Brotherhood, do you? You'll see it in Libya and Iraq in a decade.



    Really? Where does BHO want to reduce spending? Does it come anywhere near $1,000,000,000,000 a year?



    So you think all that money is stored away is a safe place somewhere ready to be accessed when you need it?



    And all these jobs will be paid for with money the American people don't have, keeping in mind that the government has to repay over $16,000,000,000,000 before they have nothing. So how will they pay for it? Borrow the money? Print it? My guess is on the latter because their credit has already been downgraded and will be downgraded again. Inflation is coming.


    How is he going to stop corporations from moving overseas? Force people to stay? Put up a Berlin type Wall? At one time not that long ago everyone wanted to invest in the US, that is was a safe place to put your money, and entrepreneurial types were confident that this was the place to follow their dream. What went wrong? Have you given that much thought?

    Maybe it was all George Bush, huh?
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    Re: Govt. borrows 46 cents of every dollar it spends

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    You want jobs, build Keystone. That's a start.
    What good is that going to do? The oil will be piped down from canada and then exported to other countries and it's not going to create that many long term jobs once it's built. So whats in it for us once the pipeline is built? Not too mention, Canada is raping its land just to get that poor quality oil. Anyway, the last I heard Obama approved part of the pipeline to be built but the problem is some of the governors of the states it needs to go through, including Republican ones, are worried about it polluting their drinking water so it's been put on hold until they negotiate where and how to locate it. And imo, water is going to be a rare commodity in the not so distant future and we're allowing oil companies to use up that resource to make energy? I gotta stop now, I'm getting too depressed.

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    Re: Govt. borrows 46 cents of every dollar it spends

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    What good is that going to do?
    I have always said, liberals have never been about jobs. "Creating jobs by building Keystone" and you come back and say "What good is that going to do?" You are a perfect example of a job killing liberal.
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    Re: Govt. borrows 46 cents of every dollar it spends

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    They don't get it never have, never will.
    And yet, at one time, every American proudly understood it.

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    Re: Govt. borrows 46 cents of every dollar it spends

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    What good is that going to do?
    It will create jobs and supply energy.
    The oil will be piped down from canada and then exported to other countries
    And the US will make money from any exports.
    and it's not going to create that many long term jobs once it's built.
    Are you actually fussy about how many jobs it creates or how much energy it supplies? What's the minimum amount of jobs you find acceptable when jobs are being created?
    So whats in it for us once the pipeline is built?
    Jobs and more energy.
    Not too mention, Canada is raping its land just to get that poor quality oil.
    The land is Canada is not being raped. Canada is a first world country.
    Anyway, the last I heard Obama approved part of the pipeline to be built but the problem is some of the governors of the states it needs to go through, including Republican ones, are worried about it polluting their drinking water so it's been put on hold until they negotiate where and how to locate it. And imo, water is going to be a rare commodity in the not so distant future and we're allowing oil companies to use up that resource to make energy? I gotta stop now, I'm getting too depressed.
    Canada has the world's largest fresh water supply.

    Romney was on to a very good idea about a continental energy agreement. Too bad more Americans didn't pay more attention to that than whether or now he was too successful.

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    Re: Govt. borrows 46 cents of every dollar it spends

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    I have always said, liberals have never been about jobs. "Creating jobs by building Keystone" and you come back and say "What good is that going to do?" You are a perfect example of a job killing liberal.
    The pipeline would be made of Russian Steel, and only will create about 5000 temporary American jobs. When it starts leaking, which all Transcanada pipelines have, we will have a huge mess of toxic chemicals and sludge everywhere. The Canadian people have already said NO to a transCanada pipeline to the west coast and for good reason. We need to leave that tar in the ground for future Generations and develop our own cleaner Natural gas resources FIRST. We need to start converting our trucks and cars to run on natural gas and free ourselves from imported oil for good.
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    Re: Govt. borrows 46 cents of every dollar it spends

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The pipeline would be made of Russian Steel, and only will create about 5000 temporary American jobs. When it starts leaking, which all Transcanada pipelines have, we will have a huge mess of toxic chemicals and sludge everywhere. The Canadian people have already said NO to a transCanada pipeline to the west coast and for good reason. We need to leave that tar in the ground for future Generations and develop our own cleaner Natural gas resources FIRST. We need to start converting our trucks and cars to run on natural gas and free ourselves from imported oil for good.
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    Like I said, liberals have never been about jobs. Never have never will.

    But I am glad you said to use our natural gas, which I have always said this green crap cannot compete with. Yet we continue to pour billion of tax payer money into green stuff that can't compete in price with coal or natural gas, of which we has a thousand year supply. Our power plants use coal or natural gas for fuel not oil.
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    Re: Govt. borrows 46 cents of every dollar it spends

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    In response read post #195

    Like I said, liberals have never been about jobs. Never have never will.

    But I am glad you said to use our natural gas, which I have always said this green crap cannot compete with. Yet we continue to pour billion of tax payer money into green stuff that can't compete in price with coal or natural gas, of which we has a thousand year supply. Our power plants use coal or natural gas for fuel not oil.
    Then why do Republican Administrations create so few jobs? Conservatives hate low unemployment it drives up wages.

    The Republican Party claims that it is the party of pro-business, pro-growth, and job creating policies, but the statistics do not support that contention, according to job data compiled by the U.S. Labor Department.

    In the modern era, since 1933, over 43 years the Democratic total is about 73.4 million jobs for an average of 1.7 million jobs per year.

    Meanwhile, over 36 years Republican presidents created about 34.8 million jobs for an average of 967,000 jobs per year.
    U.S. Presidents from Which Party Create More Jobs - Democratic or Republican?

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    Re: Govt. borrows 46 cents of every dollar it spends

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    Then do not support claims he isn't spending the money and therefore is saving it. Proudly wave the Bank of China Visa Card logo if that is your thing.
    "Government spending under President Obama has increased at the slowest rate since Dwight Eisenhower was in the Oval Office more than 50 years ago."

    Obama for America — Government spending under President Obama has...
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    Re: Govt. borrows 46 cents of every dollar it spends

    Quote Originally Posted by H. Lee White View Post
    It is YOUR claim that congress voted unanimously to pass the bill
    This is a false claim, as no such thing happened; you know this to be true, and yet you stand by the claim.
    -That- means you are lying.
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    My point is that all congressional Republicans voted for the $600 billion in spending. Yes, 90 Democrats voted against the spending. Congratulation! Some of the Democrats are the only ones that give a **** about the deficit! Excellent point you've made there!
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