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    Re: Chrysler workers canned for drinking on the job reinstated

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I'm not convinced anybody was impaired.

    If their job performance wasn't affected whats the beef?
    They're a HUGE insurance liability...that's the beef. If one of them is injured even if not "impaired" they must subject to drug test. The presence of alcohol in their system would be an insurance nightmare for the company. Not to mention if they are impaired they're not only putting themselves at risk, but anybody they work with as well...and if their impairment causes injury to another, that's an even BIGGER nightmare for the company.
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    Re: Chrysler workers canned for drinking on the job reinstated

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    They're a HUGE insurance liability...that's the beef. If one of them is injured even if not "impaired" they must subject to drug test. The presence of alcohol in their system would be an insurance nightmare for the company. Not to mention if they are impaired they're not only putting themselves at risk, but anybody they work with as well...and if their impairment causes injury to another, that's an even BIGGER nightmare for the company.
    Is it an issue to have A beer at lunch?

    I know the evil unions are involved, but what about the over-reaching employers (who want to control ones behavior 24/7 when they only pay 8/7) and the insurance companies who rule by edict (the insurance industry sets automotive safety standards).

    I guess what im saying is how much control are we accepting to eliminate ALL foreseeable risks?

    (Might conceivably cause a problem someday for somebody, better just ban it outright instead of dealing with the hassle of punishing those who actually cause problems)
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    Re: Chrysler workers canned for drinking on the job reinstated

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfman24 View Post
    This is one of the most profound examples of circular logic I have ever seen. A MAN WAS CAUGHT DRINKING ON THE JOB SO IMMEDIATELY THE UNION IS TO BLAME. Right. Reality check on aisle 6
    This is the attitude of Republicans towards unions now, but it wasn't always this way:

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    Re: Chrysler workers canned for drinking on the job reinstated

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    Chrysler workers canned for drinking on the job reinstated | Fox News




    So we the taxpayers bail out the unions car companies, employees are caught drinking on their lunch break, going back to work under the influence, are fired and now they get their jobs back? And some wonder why anyone has a problem with unions?
    So why were they fired in the first place? For having a beer, smoking a cigarette and goofing off on their break? Where is the crime here faux news? If you fired everyone who had a beer, smoked a cigarette and goofed off on their lunch break there would be no one left working at faux news. there certainly would not be any middle management who loves taking lunches in places that serve alcohol. BTW liar news drinking on the job would be drinking while working, not on your lunch break where millions of americans every day have a drink. Hell, when I used to work for the corporate offices of pepsi our whole department would go out to a local bar and have lunch together. There was only about 8 of us, but many people drank.

    Maybe the company stepped way out of line with firing these guys for doing something that can be done responsibly. Yes, you can have a beer or two without getting drunk. Oh, and as for the joint thing you have drug tests for a reason. You don't just fire them because some prude news reporter was snapping pictures and caught a guy doing something totally legal.

    WTF does this have to do with the bailout anyway? This seems to be a story where the union actually helped people who were fired for the wrong reason. You are supposed to be against unions, not showing them protecting workers on their lunch break. I mean these guys even obeyed the law by drinking out of paper bags so as not to be openly drinking alcohol in public which was a prude law passed by the puritanical christian dip****s who drink like fishes anyway. Christ your saviour was made half of wine and yet you pretend like alcohol is the worst thing in the world.

    yet another story of right wing BS over absolutely nothing. Seriously, it was their lunch break and as long as they returned sober enough and did their job then they did not do anything to get fired over to begin with.

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    Re: Chrysler workers canned for drinking on the job reinstated

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    This is the attitude of Republicans towards unions now, but it wasn't always this way:

    Yes, at one times Unions were a good thing until they became Big Business and overrun by racketeers. Now they will be supported by the Democrats, and vice versa.

    These days there are laws to protect working people, and of course good reliable workers will always be at a premium.

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    Re: Chrysler workers canned for drinking on the job reinstated

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    So why were they fired in the first place? For having a beer, smoking a cigarette and goofing off on their break? Where is the crime here faux news? If you fired everyone who had a beer, smoked a cigarette and goofed off on their lunch break there would be no one left working at faux news. there certainly would not be any middle management who loves taking lunches in places that serve alcohol. BTW liar news drinking on the job would be drinking while working, not on your lunch break where millions of americans every day have a drink. Hell, when I used to work for the corporate offices of pepsi our whole department would go out to a local bar and have lunch together. There was only about 8 of us, but many people drank.

    Maybe the company stepped way out of line with firing these guys for doing something that can be done responsibly. Yes, you can have a beer or two without getting drunk. Oh, and as for the joint thing you have drug tests for a reason. You don't just fire them because some prude news reporter was snapping pictures and caught a guy doing something totally legal.

    WTF does this have to do with the bailout anyway? This seems to be a story where the union actually helped people who were fired for the wrong reason. You are supposed to be against unions, not showing them protecting workers on their lunch break. I mean these guys even obeyed the law by drinking out of paper bags so as not to be openly drinking alcohol in public which was a prude law passed by the puritanical christian dip****s who drink like fishes anyway. Christ your saviour was made half of wine and yet you pretend like alcohol is the worst thing in the world.

    yet another story of right wing BS over absolutely nothing. Seriously, it was their lunch break and as long as they returned sober enough and did their job then they did not do anything to get fired over to begin with.
    It's not like the first time this has happened.

    Chrysler Auto Workers Caught Drinking & Smoking Pot - YouTube

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    Re: Chrysler workers canned for drinking on the job reinstated

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    They're a HUGE insurance liability...that's the beef. If one of them is injured even if not "impaired" they must subject to drug test. The presence of alcohol in their system would be an insurance nightmare for the company. Not to mention if they are impaired they're not only putting themselves at risk, but anybody they work with as well...and if their impairment causes injury to another, that's an even BIGGER nightmare for the company.
    If it was one beer on an hour break they would not even be too impaired to drive back to work. The company stepped way out of line with this. had they drug tested them and found them too intoxicated to work then you would have a point, and if they were actually drinking on the job and not their lunch break you would have a point. however, neither was done and the employees were fired over some pictures without even determining if they were capable of doing their job.

    Of course that is all pointless anyway as this article is a clear attack on unions and trying to claim that unions want everyone to be drunk and on drugs while working. Instead the union actually did what it was supposed to do and protect employees terminated wrongly. Perhaps the unions are needed if this is what the employer does when they think they can. Maybe we do need unions in place to stop employers from overreaching into workers private lives. Employers are already trying to fire women for using their paychecks to buy birth control. Employers already fire people for smoking tobacco products on their free time. Employers already fire people for getting caught going out and drinking on their free time. Maybe if this sort of thing is stopped by unions it makes sense to have them in place.

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    Re: Chrysler workers canned for drinking on the job reinstated

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's not like the first time this has happened.

    Chrysler Auto Workers Caught Drinking & Smoking Pot - YouTube
    It doesn't matter, it is their break. if they return to work and are impaired you drug test them and then fire them if they are too intoxicated to work. You don't get to fire them just for having a drink. Sorry anti-union people, but in this case the union did the right thing and showed it is actually needed because the car manufacturer stepped way out of line into [people's free time.

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    Re: Chrysler workers canned for drinking on the job reinstated

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    It doesn't matter, it is their break. if they return to work and are impaired you drug test them and then fire them if they are too intoxicated to work. You don't get to fire them just for having a drink. Sorry anti-union people, but in this case the union did the right thing and showed it is actually needed because the car manufacturer stepped way out of line into [people's free time.
    They cannot be drunk or stoned at work, which is the consequence of smoking pot or drinking. You do not get un-drunk or un-stoned as soon as your break is over.

    If they are stoned or drunk at the job, those jobs can't be very important. This is a good example of why Detroit is in the position it is today.

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