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    Re: Ann Coulter Says GOP Should Give In To Obama On Taxes: 'We Lost The Election'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I think this is a reading comprehension problem going on here....You are aware that the chart shows Obama's deficits massively larger than anything Bush had right?
    Mac, what you have to understand is liberals want to talk out of both sides of their mouth about the 2009 deficits.
    They want to pretend the stimulus wasn't signed by Obama and the 2009 budget wasn't signed by Obama after the Democrats loaded it up with an extra 400 billion dollars worth of pork spending. They also want to claim the TARP repays without claiming the TARP spending. Thats the only way you can attritbute the 2009 budget to Bush.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Says GOP Should Give In To Obama On Taxes: 'We Lost The Election'

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Didya ever think you'd be telling someone they should be listening to Ann Coulter? It's funny that after years of blasting her, calling her all sorts of obscene names, saying things about her hands (which are a little freakish), all of a sudden, because she's said a few things people like, she has cred. Lol.
    Liberals will always make ad hominem attacks against those who oppose their juvenile ideas, this time on Ann Coulter, but whenever she debates a lefty she is always the winner. All they have is ad hom, and few are bold enough to discuss the issues she raises.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Says GOP Should Give In To Obama On Taxes: 'We Lost The Election'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I think this is a reading comprehension problem going on here....You are aware that the chart shows Obama's deficits massively larger than anything Bush had right?
    Not if you understand that the 2009 deficit is GW Bush's. He signed the budget for that year. The Right Wing Cato Institute says it best

    The 2009 fiscal year began October 1, 2008, nearly four months before Obama took office. The budget for the entire fiscal year was largely set in place while Bush was in the White House. So is we update the chart to show the Bush fiscal years in green, we can see that Obama is partly right in claiming that he inherited a mess
    Don’t Blame Obama for Bush’s 2009 Deficit | Cato @ Liberty


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    Re: Ann Coulter Says GOP Should Give In To Obama On Taxes: 'We Lost The Election'

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Mac, what you have to understand is liberals want to talk out of both sides of their mouth about the 2009 deficits.
    They want to pretend the stimulus wasn't signed by Obama and the 2009 budget wasn't signed by Obama after the Democrats loaded it up with an extra 400 billion dollars worth of pork spending. They also want to claim the TARP repays without claiming the TARP spending. Thats the only way you can attritbute the 2009 budget to Bush.
    Tell that to the Cato Institute, they disagree.

    Don’t Blame Obama for Bush’s 2009 Deficit | Cato @ Liberty

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    Re: Ann Coulter Says GOP Should Give In To Obama On Taxes: 'We Lost The Election'

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Not if you understand that the 2009 deficit is GW Bush's. He signed the budget for that year. The Right Wing Cato Institute says it best

    Don’t Blame Obama for Bush’s 2009 Deficit | Cato @ Liberty


    Look, I didn't like everything Bush did either, and Obama did take over a pretty big mess. But, instead of living up to what he said he was going to do, he made it worse.....Even your own chart shows Obama deficits worse than Bush's....I just don't get how liberals can be so blatantly dishonest about this....In Bush's 8 years, he racked up 4 trillion in added debt, in 4 years Obama has racked up over 5 Trillion of his own debt. That is half the time frame, and more debt on Obama....Now during the campaign of 08 Obama called Bush "unpatriotic" for his debt, now I guess its ok though....What a hypocrite.
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    Re: Ann Coulter Says GOP Should Give In To Obama On Taxes: 'We Lost The Election'

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    America is like an 80 year old barn. It is weathered and irreparable. Let Obama throw his gasoline and match into the mix so that we can get to the business of rebuilding what the baby boomers destroyed.
    Is the baby-boomer generation the latest target of right-wing hate? I thought they preferred to hate on the Millennials.
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    Re: Ann Coulter Says GOP Should Give In To Obama On Taxes: 'We Lost The Election'

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Not if you understand that the 2009 deficit is GW Bush's. He signed the budget for that year. The Right Wing Cato Institute says it best

    Don’t Blame Obama for Bush’s 2009 Deficit | Cato @ Liberty
    Bush did not sign the budget agreement for 2009. Obama signed it after Democrats added $400billion to it and had it on Obama's desk for signature and he signed it the day after inauguration. In addition to that he and the democrats designed the stimulus and then made all of these increases the baseline budget from which the next year was set. So...cutting after adding 1.2 trillion? Thats pretty easy. The real question is why we cant get back to even 2008 budget consideration after increasing spending to 25% of GDP from 20% of GDP in just 3 years?

    Yours and Cato's essential defense is that Bush made all those increases, which is false. He made some (arguably $150billion to $300billion), but Obama doubled down on them. I reserve the right to disagree with both sets of increases. You disagree with neither set so your point is semantic and inconsequential. You are looking to validate your own opinion by appealing to authority when the author doesnt go into numbers enough to validate your position and he sure didnt say that Bush signed the 2009 budget, although he felt he was responsible for it. I agree, to a very limited extent.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Says GOP Should Give In To Obama On Taxes: 'We Lost The Election'

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    Bush did not sign the budget agreement for 2009. Obama signed it after Democrats added $400billion to it and had it on Obama's desk for signature and he signed it the day after inauguration. In addition to that he and the democrats designed the stimulus and then made all of these increases the baseline budget from which the next year was set. So...cutting after adding 1.2 trillion? Thats pretty easy. The real question is why we cant get back to even 2008 budget consideration after increasing spending to 25% of GDP from 20% of GDP in just 3 years?

    Yours and Cato's essential defense is that Bush made all those increases, which is false. He made some (arguably $150billion to $300billion), but Obama doubled down on them. I reserve the right to disagree with both sets of increases. You disagree with neither set so your point is semantic and inconsequential. You are looking to validate your own opinion by appealing to authority when the author doesnt go into numbers enough to validate your position and he sure didnt say that Bush signed the 2009 budget, although he felt he was responsible for it. I agree, to a very limited extent.
    If you read the piece you know that the fiscal year was 1/3 over when Obama took office, much of the money was already spent. Not to mention the Wars that were put on the budget for the 1st time. Obama has actually increased spending less than any modern President, admittedly starting at the high bar that Bush set but to say he doubled our deficit is just not true. You are fooling yourself about Bush's spending and revenue raiding. With Federal revenue that is at less than 15% of GDP, of course we have deficits.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Says GOP Should Give In To Obama On Taxes: 'We Lost The Election'

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    If you read the piece you know that the fiscal year was 1/3 over when Obama took office, much of the money was already spent. Not to mention the Wars that were put on the budget for the 1st time. Obama has actually increased spending less than any modern President, admittedly starting at the high bar that Bush set but to say he doubled our deficit is just not true. You are fooling yourself about Bush's spending and revenue raiding. With Federal revenue that is at less than 15% of GDP, of course we have deficits.
    Bush inherited about $5.5 trillion in debt from Clinton. Obama inherited about $7.8 trillion from Bush and now it stands at over $16 trillion.

    The United States lost its AAA credit rating during the Obama Administration and is expected to be lowered again.

    History of the United States public debt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Ann Coulter Says GOP Should Give In To Obama On Taxes: 'We Lost The Election'

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Bush inherited about $5.5 trillion in debt from Clinton. Obama inherited about $7.8 trillion from Bush and now it stands at over $16 trillion.

    The United States lost its AAA credit rating during the Obama Administration and is expected to be lowered again.

    History of the United States public debt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    That's not exactly true. Bush inherited 5.6, Obama inherited 10 trillion. Treasury Direct

    So Bush doubled the debt. If we stay on course, Obama is set to to have more than doubled the debt he inherited. I agree this is not good. We can't be doubling the debt every eight years.

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