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    Re: Ann Coulter Says GOP Should Give In To Obama On Taxes: 'We Lost The Election'

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    I don't know if I support it or not... I just know the consequences... It's difficult to apply a strict libertarian opinion on a government that in it's current form largely un-libertarian... and when you do, you need to consider the consequences and the reasons why it's their in the first place. If I were to take out the subsidies for this I would also need to do a lot of other changes as well right with it so the economy doesn't crash, like lift away restrictions on oil here at home.
    The government protecting something versus giving away taxpayer money is entirely different. Although I will agree much of the restrictions on oil at home should be lifted.

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    It also gets much more complicated when were are talking about a world economy. I am libertarian, but I am U.S.A. biased... I always want the U.S. to prosper in foreign deals and since it is not a level playing field you have to do different things. When a libertarian economy faces something like China for example, it becomes unbalanced, because they exploit their workers and economy.
    Either you believe the government picking winners and losers is wrong or you don't. The libertarian view is the government should not be doing this.

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    Now if everyone sang and rejoiced and everyone played by the same rules, then yea, but since it isn't I always look out for US interest over anything else in my consideration of my opinion.
    It doesn't matter what the other countries in the world think, what matters is the U.S. and the Constitution. The government should NOT be picking winners and losers and subsidizing the way it does.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Says GOP Should Give In To Obama On Taxes: 'We Lost The Election'

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    The government protecting something versus giving away taxpayer money is entirely different. Although I will agree much of the restrictions on oil at home should be lifted.



    Either you believe the government picking winners and losers is wrong or you don't. The libertarian view is the government should not be doing this.



    It doesn't matter what the other countries in the world think, what matters is the U.S. and the Constitution. The government should NOT be picking winners and losers and subsidizing the way it does.
    As a general rule, yes I agree with you... am more talking of ways you would actually go about it without causing an economy crash. Being libertarian also should mean being reasonable.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Says GOP Should Give In To Obama On Taxes: 'We Lost The Election'

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    The government protecting something versus giving away taxpayer money is entirely different. Although I will agree much of the restrictions on oil at home should be lifted.



    Either you believe the government picking winners and losers is wrong or you don't. The libertarian view is the government should not be doing this.



    It doesn't matter what the other countries in the world think, what matters is the U.S. and the Constitution. The government should NOT be picking winners and losers and subsidizing the way it does.
    Do you think that immediately withdrawing government subsidies to the oil companies would drastically increase the price of gas? I think this would potentionally be the final straw that broke the camels back. If I am wrong about this, please prove it to me... then I would agree with you. The U.S. right now is almost forced to subsidize the oil companies right now, we are being blackmailed. If we do this without releasing restrictions on domestic oil, it could possibly end very badly.

    Again, I would agree with you if I am wrong about this, but this is what I have come to believe.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Says GOP Should Give In To Obama On Taxes: 'We Lost The Election'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post

    Either you believe the government picking winners and losers is wrong or you don't. The libertarian view is the government should not be doing this.
    And who are you to determine the libertarian view anyway, are you a representative of the Libertarian partly or philosophy? How libertarian philosophy applies to American politics is largely subjective.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Says GOP Should Give In To Obama On Taxes: 'We Lost The Election'

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    Do you think that immediately withdrawing government subsidies to the oil companies would drastically increase the price of gas? I think this would potentionally be the final straw that broke the camels back. If I am wrong about this, please prove it to me... then I would agree with you. The U.S. right now is almost forced to subsidize the oil companies right now, we are being blackmailed. If we do this without releasing restrictions on domestic oil, it could possibly end very badly.

    Again, I would agree with you if I am wrong about this, but this is what I have come to believe.
    I think subsidies should stop ALONG with releasing restrictions on domestic oil. I do believe that would satisfy both of your claims. Tell me if I am wrong.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Says GOP Should Give In To Obama On Taxes: 'We Lost The Election'

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    And who are you to determine the libertarian view anyway, are you a representative of the Libertarian partly or philosophy? How libertarian philosophy applies to American politics is largely subjective.
    The better question is do you believe the libertarian view is to have government get MORE involved with subsidies with ONE industry but not another. That to me goes against the very view of libertarianism. Show me where I am wrong there.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Says GOP Should Give In To Obama On Taxes: 'We Lost The Election'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I think subsidies should stop ALONG with releasing restrictions on domestic oil. I do believe that would satisfy both of your claims. Tell me if I am wrong.
    Yes, that would be a solution I would be for. But's difficult in this political climate to get everything you want.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Says GOP Should Give In To Obama On Taxes: 'We Lost The Election'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The better question is do you believe the libertarian view is to have government get MORE involved with subsidies with ONE industry but not another. That to me goes against the very view of libertarianism. Show me where I am wrong there.
    For me, that is the general rule to go by, but sometimes it is an impossible goal for the immediate future because of the political/economical climate. Since there are hundreds of thousands of aspects that are not libertarian about our government the direct libertarian approach isn't always the best option unless other conditions are also met.

    I practice an applied libertarian-ism to our American government. I have no desire to start a revolution and burn the Constitution so I can resurrect a new libertarian society.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Says GOP Should Give In To Obama On Taxes: 'We Lost The Election'

    Quote Originally Posted by celticwar17 View Post
    I have no desire to start a revolution and burn the Constitution so I can resurrect a new libertarian society.
    A libertarian society for me would be one that follows the constitution so I don't see a distinction from the two.

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    Re: Ann Coulter Says GOP Should Give In To Obama On Taxes: 'We Lost The Election'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    No, there wasn't any doubt except of course by those that were too dumb to realize it. Obama provided proof of birth in the U.S. yet others chose to be ignorant of it because of party line. Of course to those of party line right it wasn't proven. Their asses got handed to them over it as well and proven they were of the same lines as those that thought 9/11 was due to Bush.
    Apparently you don't know that the questions regarding the birthplace of Barry Obama were raised by the Democrats during the Hillary Clinton campaign. But, overall, i agree with you on their lack of intelligence.
    Nope, I didn't prove your point as Obama was qualified LEGALLY to be president of the U.S. Although I didn't think he should be president of the U.S. for a second term, and I even voted against him by voting Johnson, he is still QUALIFIED LEGALLY.
    You may be right and in fact I don't care one way or the other. I do believe though that people have the right, and in fact the duty, to raise these questions.
    I was RAISED Roman Catholic, went to all the schools etc. I do not consider myself to be Roman Catholic. THAT is what is important. Being raised a religion or even recognized by a religion MEANS NOTHING if you do not follow the religion. Even someone lioke you should recognize that fact. It doesn't matter what OTHERS think about you only what YOU BELIEVE.
    There is a substantial difference between Roman Catholicism and Islam.Some of those differences are explained here.President Apostate? - New York Times

    So you believe Romney should have opened up ALL his tax returns do you?
    If they are relevant and there are questions being raised, yes I do.
    Funny how most conservatives believed (and including me) that Romney shouldn't have had to release ALL his tax returns. Why do you feel different about that?
    I feel his recent tax returns were relevant.
    The point of the video was to somehow say that it is ok for division as long as the right is in agreement to it. Why do you feel it is ok for division if YOUR side says it is ok?
    You'd have to provide an example for me to understand your point .

    You're right. The common person wouldn't believe the lies that are told to them. You are not the common man. I recognize that BOTH sides are at fault. You somehow think YOUR side is not at fault.
    We can never be quite sure of truths or lies. I'm willing to have my opinions tested.

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