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Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

Oh, when you said you answered to a higher power I thought you were Christian. Again, who is your higher power?

Nope. I grew up Christian, but I got over it. My Higher Power is more a What than a Who, spanky. It is the creative power of the Universe. It is what was before the Universe and what will be afterwards. Eternity would probably be the best single word to describe it.

I was not suffering under any illusion that you were even the slightest bit capable of reason, Tigger.

Excellent. Glad to hear I'm not disappointing you
 
Tigger, from where do you derive support for your opinion that homosexuality is immoral?

From the basic biological fact that a same-sex couple cannot create a new life through the standard means. Since life cannot be created and the species cannot be maintained through same-sex couples, that pairing is innately counter-natural and therefore immoral.
 
From the basic biological fact that a same-sex couple cannot create a new life through the standard means. Since life cannot be created and the species cannot be maintained through same-sex couples, that pairing is innately counter-natural and therefore immoral.

There is more to our species than propagating it.
Me and my wife cannot procreate,so are you saying our relationship is immoral?
 
There is more to our species than propagating it.

True, to a degree. However, the progation of the species is a major part of human life, as it is for all species.

Me and my wife cannot procreate,so are you saying our relationship is immoral?

I'm going to assume that you and your wife have the proper physiology, but that some portion of it does not work properly. Assuming that, the relationship is fine. That's simply a matter of Fate. However, in the case of a same-sex couple, the parts don't even fit together properly. Thus creating the issue.
 
From the basic biological fact that a same-sex couple cannot create a new life through the standard means. Since life cannot be created and the species cannot be maintained through same-sex couples, that pairing is innately counter-natural and therefore immoral.

I would then suggest your use of the word "immoral" is misplaced. I'm not even sure about "counter-natural" since instances of same sex coupling attempts is rife in the natural world.

If i understand your definition correctly immoral or counter-natural should be replaced with unproductive.
 
I would then suggest your use of the word "immoral" is misplaced. I'm not even sure about "counter-natural" since instances of same sex coupling attempts is rife in the natural world.

If i understand your definition correctly immoral or counter-natural should be replaced with unproductive.

There are also instances of 4 and 6 legged starfish as well. Nature does have its abnormalities. The difference here is that these people CHOOSE to engage in an act which they know (or should know) to be improper and unnatural from the start. Regardless of whether one believes their urges to be genetic or personal in nature, they have the higher-thought capacity to ignore the knowingly improper acts yet choose not to.
 
There are also instances of 4 and 6 legged starfish as well. Nature does have its abnormalities. The difference here is that these people CHOOSE to engage in an act which they know (or should know) to be improper and unnatural from the start. Regardless of whether one believes their urges to be genetic or personal in nature, they have the higher-thought capacity to ignore the knowingly improper acts yet choose not to.

Isn't something that happens in nature natural?

For me, what makes something wrong and immoral is the harm it inflicts on another. Two consenting adults expressing love for one another just doesn't seem to fit that category in any way I can see.
 
For me, what makes something wrong and immoral is the harm it inflicts on another. Two consenting adults expressing love for one another just doesn't seem to fit that category in any way I can see.

Obviously we have different views on how to define immorality.
 
There are also instances of 4 and 6 legged starfish as well. Nature does have its abnormalities. The difference here is that these people CHOOSE to engage in an act which they know (or should know) to be improper and unnatural from the start. Regardless of whether one believes their urges to be genetic or personal in nature, they have the higher-thought capacity to ignore the knowingly improper acts yet choose not to.

Of course you have a right to your opinion but I find many of them to be haphazardly correlated and generally unsupportable other then a mysterious voice in your head telling you so (even homohating Xstians can fall back on a couple OT verses). If it IS your opinion they are immoral and unnatural then I would say don't engage in them. But for you to make that decision for others based on nothing more then a feeling in your spleen, well, to me THAT is immoral.
 
True, to a degree. However, the progation of the species is a major part of human life, as it is for all species.
Marriage isn't exactly necessary for our species to propagate.
Is there some current danger of our species not being able to propagate that I am not aware of.
Seems to me our species is propagating quite nicely.

I'm going to assume that you and your wife have the proper physiology, but that some portion of it does not work properly. Assuming that, the relationship is fine. That's simply a matter of Fate.
It can be said that two people falling in love is a matter of Fate also.
Marriage,on the other hand,happens to be a matter of Choice.
However, in the case of a same-sex couple, the parts don't even fit together properly. Thus creating the issue.
An issue for who?
Maybe for you,but apparently it isn't issue an issue for everybody.
Marriage is more then "tab A fitting into slot B".
Isn't there a saying,"Love conquers all"?
Whether certain parts are missing,or certain parts don't fit,is not good enough reason to deny two consenting willing adults the right to marry.
 
Obviously we have different views on how to define immorality.

You have provided nothing in terms of a system defining your interpretation of morality other then a voice in your head.

Consequently I cannot assign any more credibility to it then I would a lunatic in an asylum.
 
Of course you have a right to your opinion but I find many of them to be haphazardly correlated and generally unsupportable other then a mysterious voice in your head telling you so. If it IS your opinion they are immoral and unnatural then I would say don't engage in them. But for you to make that decision for others based on nothing more then a feeling in your spleen, well, to me THAT is immoral.

That mysterious voice in my head and spleen, as you refer to it, has seen me through quite well to date, spanky. Though it's not really all that mysterious. It's the voice of my father, my grandfathers, and all the others that I have learned from over the years.
 
There are also instances of 4 and 6 legged starfish as well. Nature does have its abnormalities. The difference here is that these people CHOOSE to engage in an act which they know (or should know) to be improper and unnatural from the start. Regardless of whether one believes their urges to be genetic or personal in nature, they have the higher-thought capacity to ignore the knowingly improper acts yet choose not to.

You have yet to prove those acts are "improper" to begin with.
Those acts may be "improper" for procreation,but doesn't have to be an impediment to expressing ones love to the one they love.
And as we both seem to agreed upon,procreation isn't what marriage is all about.
 
That mysterious voice in my head and spleen, as you refer to it, has seen me through quite well to date, spanky. Though it's not really all that mysterious. It's the voice of my father, my grandfathers, and all the others that I have learned from over the years.

They're not doing you any favors right now.
 
That mysterious voice in my head and spleen, as you refer to it, has seen me through quite well to date, spanky. Though it's not really all that mysterious. It's the voice of my father, my grandfathers, and all the others that I have learned from over the years.
Wouldn't that imply that your moral views are yours and your alone,and that no one else are bound by them?
Those are your ancestors speaking to YOU,not me,and I'm willing to guess no one else here.
I too have a "Higher Power" and it tells me that there is nothing wrong with either homosexuality,nor SSM.
My "Higher Power" has seen me through quite well to date also.
 
Wouldn't that imply that your moral views are yours and your alone,and that no one else are bound by them?
Those are your ancestors speaking to YOU,not me,and I'm willing to guess no one else here.
I too have a "Higher Power" and it tells me that there is nothing wrong with either homosexuality,nor SSM.
My "Higher Power" has seen me through quite well to date also.

Then I guess we'll just have to wait and see who's right at the end of the world, or at least our lives; now won't we?
 
Then I guess we'll just have to wait and see who's right at the end of the world, or at least our lives; now won't we?
That's a cop out answer,Tig,since neither of know what really happens at the "end",now do we?
It would have saved you typing time just typing "I have no counter response".
 
That's a cop out answer,Tig,since neither of know what really happens at the "end",now do we?

At this point, no we don't. Once we get there, we will. If, as many have suggested, there is nothing; then this existance was pointless to begin with. If there IS something beyond this existance, then there almost has to be a point to this existance, and I'm not willing to risk my soul by being a willing part of the destruction of our species.
 
At this point, no we don't. Once we get there, we will.
What's this "we",kemosabe.I beleive in reincarnation:lol:
If, as many have suggested, there is nothing; then this existance was pointless to begin with.
Unless,of course,one makes this existence have a point.To me,the point to me existence is to experience and enjoy.
If there IS something beyond this existance, then there almost has to be a point to this existance,

Maybe so,but it may be a point that neither of us has begun to guess.Maybe the point was to make a point while existing
and I'm not willing to risk my soul by being a willing part of the destruction of our species.

I don't recall anyone demanding that you do?
I don't recall anyone here insisting that you marry someone of the same sex?
And you yet to demonstrate and prove that SSM would inevitable lead to the destruction of our species.

If you feel that homosexuality is wrong,that is well within your right.
May I suggest you not engage in it.
If you feel that SSM is wrong,that is well within your right.
May I suggest you not engage in it.

If you wish to debate that homosexuality and SSM are inherently and morally wrong,that is well within your right.
May I suggest you provide better evidence that you've provided on this thread.
 
If you wish to debate that homosexuality and SSM are inherently and morally wrong,that is well within your right.
May I suggest you provide better evidence that you've provided on this thread.

I don't debate. It's a waste of time and energy. My viewpoint isn't going to be changed and it's unlikely anyone else's will be either. I simply make my points and state my opinion. If you don't want to accept them, fine. Just don't expect me to give any credence to anything anyone else says either.
 
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