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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Although I really hope that SCOTUS pronounces DOMA DOA, the court's conservative majority has me kinda nervous. Homosexuals are the final class of individuals who can be and routinely are denied constitutional equality. I hope to see that change in my lifetime.
    The conservative argument against DOMA, that it infringes on states rights, is actually the strongest argument against DOMA. Of the two SSM cases that will be heard, it is the one most likely to be a victory for SSM supporters.
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    During what period of American history has marriage been up to the states? Never. The nonsense that it's a power the states hold isn't based on American legal tradition.
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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    During what period of American history has marriage been up to the states? Never. The nonsense that it's a power the states hold isn't based on American legal tradition.
    Throughout US history it has been up to states. To quote from Gill V Office of Personnel Management:

    It is true that DOMA intrudes extensively into a realm that has from the start of the nation been primarily confided to state regulation--domestic relations and the definition and incidents of lawful marriage--which is a leading instance of the states' exercise of their broad police-power authority over morality and culture. As the Supreme Court observed long ago, [t]he whole subject of the domestic relations of husband and wife, parent and child, belongs to the laws of the States and not to the laws of the United States.
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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Throughout US history it has been up to states. To quote from Gill V Office of Personnel Management:
    And yet, it's not the states which create the benefits and rights which have come with marriage from the federal government. Why is that? It's like saying the car is yours simply because you drive it.
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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Convince me that prefering to have two (or more) wives is not equally as strong a desire.
    Despite opposing it for religious reasons, I can see multiple logical arguments in one could use in favor of polygamy. Those who claim being gay isn't a choice may sound a bit hypocritical arguing that promiscuity is a choice.
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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Gender discrimination in the military is allowed due to the government having a compelling interest, the discrimination is narrowly tailored and it is the least restrictive way to achieve that interest. Unless those criterion are met, discrimination based on gender is illegal.

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    Gender is intermediate scrutiny, meaning that the government has an important interest.
    Expalin how scrutiny or compeling interest allows a male or female to hold exactly the same position and pay yet the male must qualify at a higher/different physical standard. Why is it Constitutional to ask a male to be more "physically qualified" to operate a radio or typewriter than a female? This is the most obvious case of diascrimination possible yet it is "fair' and"just". What about the draft? Is it reasonable to force military service on only the male population? Females want equal pay for less physically demamnding service, and more restricted duty assignments. Let the situation be reversed and the feminists would scream "discrimination", and rightfully so. If "separate but equal" was used for gays, blacks or age it would be "unconstitutional" yet if the "advantage" is not whites/males then all is well. Hmm...
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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Being a protected classification does not inherently imply that no differences can exist. Discrimination is still possible, if an important state interest is shown.

    So, if you can show me the important state interest in preventing two men from marrying, I'm all ears!
    They cannot reproduce and bring forth the next generation of taxpayers.
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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    One side is going to be very butt hurt depending on how this goes down.
    I see what you did there.
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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    They cannot reproduce and bring forth the next generation of taxpayers.
    Not going to do that anyway. But they can add to stability in their community as a married couple.

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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Expalin how scrutiny or compeling interest allows a male or female to hold exactly the same position and pay yet the male must qualify at a higher/different physical standard. Why is it Constitutional to ask a male to be more "physically qualified" to operate a radio or typewriter than a female? This is the most obvious case of diascrimination possible yet it is "fair' and"just". What about the draft? Is it reasonable to force military service on only the male population? Females want equal pay for less physically demamnding service, and more restricted duty assignments. Let the situation be reversed and the feminists would scream "discrimination", and rightfully so. If "separate but equal" was used for gays, blacks or age it would be "unconstitutional" yet if the "advantage" is not whites/males then all is well. Hmm...
    Thisis geting into a seperate issue, but military PFTs are designed to measure overal level of health, and since men and women are different physically on average, are expected to have different results.
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