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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No one wants Roe V Wade changed. If republicans had wanted it challenged, it would have been overturned long ago. So, politically, no one REALLY opposes it.

    Are you kidding me? Just let one more Conservative Justice get on the court and you will see.
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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

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    In many areas I do take the conservative position, but not here.
    It just does not equate...............
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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No one wants Roe V Wade changed. If republicans had wanted it challenged, it would have been overturned long ago. So, politically, no one REALLY opposes it.

    I agree the majority dont really "politically" oppose it because they know that outlawing it is the wrong move, a infringement of rights, wouldnt solve anything and in ways make things worse. Mostly banning it or mostly letting it be totally unrestricted are BOTH wrong answers. Pro-Choice with restrictions is the best way to go and only way to try to be fair and equal and not infringe on current rights.
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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by RepublicanMcDuc View Post
    Being against gay rights tarnishes the party's reputation and makes some voters, especially the younger ones, think of it as the party of bigotry. You are right that immigration is probably one of the most important areas to address in terms of voting groups, but you are wrong if you think the party's anti- gay stances aren't a problem both now and in the future. We gotta stop the bleeding.
    No one is against gay rights, that is what you on the left forget............We just don't want the definition of marriage changed............call it anyhting you want............give them every right a straight has..........just don't defile straight marriage............is that to hard?
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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    No one is against gay rights, that is what you on the left forget............We just don't want the definition of marriage changed............call it anyhting you want............give them every right a straight has..........just don't defile straight marriage............is that to hard?
    then you simply dont understand what equal rights are, nor would marriage be "defiled" lol
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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Are you kidding me? Just let one more Conservative Justice get on the court and you will see.
    You haven't been paying attention. Judges place by conservatives have backed Roe v Wade.

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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I guess we are just going to have to disagree because the majority of gays have been democrats as long as I can recall and will be long after I am gone. It is just a reality that there is nothing the GOP can do to win the bulk of that demo. They need to focus on immigration. Bush has some interesting ideas before 9/11 happened in that regard.
    It's not just about people who are gay. It's about people who are not gay but think gay people being treated as second-class citizens is abhorrent.

    Immigration is certainly another problem area for them. I don't think the GOP will get it, though. Even now their talk about immigration seems more cosmetic than anything. How do we seem more appealing to minorities, not how do we be more appealing.
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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Perhaps. I am not a republican but from my perspective, it is an issue of money. Businesses do not want to be subject to another discrimination cause of action against them and nobody seems to have a clue what same-sex marriage costs will be to the public, let alone private enterprise, when all those benefits are layered on.
    It won't cost anything according to the Congressional Budget Committee study that was done within the last 10 years. They determined that the government makes money (not much, but a little) off of married couples because there is some things that cost the taxpayers with marriage but others that actually save the taxpayers money.

    CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE STUDY: SAME-SEX MARRIAGE WOULD SAVE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ALMOST ONE BILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR - Equality California
    CBO | The Potential Budgetary Impact of Recognizing Same-Sex Marriages
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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It won't cost anything according to the Congressional Budget Committee study that was done within the last 10 years. They determined that the government makes money (not much, but a little) off of married couples because there is some things that cost the taxpayers with marriage but others that actually save the taxpayers money.

    CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE STUDY: SAME-SEX MARRIAGE WOULD SAVE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ALMOST ONE BILLION DOLLARS PER YEAR - Equality California
    CBO | The Potential Budgetary Impact of Recognizing Same-Sex Marriages
    Interesting but highly speculative on the part of the CBO. (The actual report: CBO | The Potential Budgetary Impact of Recognizing Same-Sex Marriages ) I do not anticipate that the marriage penalty will last long when it returns next year which is where a lot of the revenue seems to have been assumed to come from. I am equally skeptical that the other revenue numbers will materialize anytime soon as the report assumes that SSM marriage will include SS adoption of kids who receive medicaid etc and they will leave their estates to the kids instead of to charity and therefore create estate tax revenue. People who may be okay with SSM may not be so okay with two gay men adopting boys. That is going to be a tougher row to hoe IMHO.

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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Interesting but highly speculative on the part of the CBO. (The actual report: CBO | The Potential Budgetary Impact of Recognizing Same-Sex Marriages ) I do not anticipate that the marriage penalty will last long when it returns next year which is where a lot of the revenue seems to have been assumed to come from. I am equally skeptical that the other revenue numbers will materialize anytime soon as the report assumes that SSM marriage will include SS adoption of kids who receive medicaid etc and they will leave their estates to the kids instead of to charity and therefore create estate tax revenue. People who may be okay with SSM may not be so okay with two gay men adopting boys. That is going to be a tougher row to hoe IMHO.
    Don't really care how comfortable they are with it. Two-parent, same-sex households do just as well as two-parent, heterosexual households in the realm of raising children. There's plenty of research to support this.

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