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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    It's not about that, it's about the future generations of people the republican party needs in order to remain relevant.

    Again, it's a telling thing, to just about anyone, when republicans supports rights for SOME, but not for all.
    I support the right of gays to have guns if that is what you are hinting around at. The GOP does not need gays in the future to be relevant--they need Hispanics or the rising sea levels to wipe out Miami, NYC, Philly, LA, and SF.

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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I support the right of gays to have guns if that is what you are hinting around at. The GOP does not need gays in the future to be relevant--they need Hispanics or the rising sea levels to wipe out Miami, NYC, Philly, LA, and SF.
    You're still not getting it. It's not about gay folk, it's about the vast multitudes that SUPPORT EQUAL RIGHTS.

    All they want is to have everything I have with my wife, granted us by the state, the day we signed our marriage license. It's NOT a religious institute, at the state level, it's a legally binding partnership that grants multiple tax and insurance benefits, as well as power of attourny, should it ever bee needed, amongst other things. All for the low low price of 50 bucks.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    You're still not getting it. It's not about gay folk, it's about the vast multitudes that SUPPORT EQUAL RIGHTS.

    All they want is to have everything I have with my wife, granted us by the state, the day we signed our marriage license. It's NOT a religious institute, at the state level, it's a legally binding partnership that grants multiple tax and insurance benefits, as well as power of attourny, should it ever bee needed, amongst other things. All for the low low price of 50 bucks.
    What am I not getting exactly? I have supported gay marriage since well before I joined this forum due in no small part to a relative who has been with her same partner since well before I drew my first breath. Politically, however, it is not that big of an issue for the GOP--they are not going to suddenly win elections if gay marriage is legalized. The next step in the process is more interesting than this one--Gay adoption. I am waiting to hear people squirm over the question "Well would you rather they abort the child than let a gay couple adopt it?" The GOP is always going to be backed into a corner on this issue. I mean Lincoln freed the slaves but you don't see a lot of black faces at the convention these days. If the GOP is to out maneuver the DNC it is going to be on immigration or not at all.

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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    What am I not getting exactly? I have supported gay marriage since well before I joined this forum due in no small part to a relative who has been with her same partner since well before I drew my first breath. Politically, however, it is not that big of an issue for the GOP--they are not going to suddenly win elections if gay marriage is legalized. The next step in the process is more interesting than this one--Gay adoption. I am waiting to hear people squirm over the question "Well would you rather they abort the child than let a gay couple adopt it?" The GOP is always going to be backed into a corner on this issue. I mean Lincoln freed the slaves but you don't see a lot of black faces at the convention these days. If the GOP is to out maneuver the DNC it is going to be on immigration or not at all.
    If the GOP is going to REMAIN relevant, it has to be open to CHANGE. THAT'S why this is of some importance to the party.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    If the GOP is going to REMAIN relevant, it has to be open to CHANGE. THAT'S why this is of some importance to the party.
    I guess we are just going to have to disagree because the majority of gays have been democrats as long as I can recall and will be long after I am gone. It is just a reality that there is nothing the GOP can do to win the bulk of that demo. They need to focus on immigration. Bush has some interesting ideas before 9/11 happened in that regard.

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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I guess we are just going to have to disagree because the majority of gays have been democrats as long as I can recall and will be long after I am gone. It is just a reality that there is nothing the GOP can do to win the bulk of that demo. They need to focus on immigration. Bush has some interesting ideas before 9/11 happened in that regard.
    It's not about winning over the gays.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    What am I not getting exactly? I have supported gay marriage since well before I joined this forum due in no small part to a relative who has been with her same partner since well before I drew my first breath. Politically, however, it is not that big of an issue for the GOP--they are not going to suddenly win elections if gay marriage is legalized. The next step in the process is more interesting than this one--Gay adoption. I am waiting to hear people squirm over the question "Well would you rather they abort the child than let a gay couple adopt it?" The GOP is always going to be backed into a corner on this issue. I mean Lincoln freed the slaves but you don't see a lot of black faces at the convention these days. If the GOP is to out maneuver the DNC it is going to be on immigration or not at all.
    Being against gay rights tarnishes the party's reputation and makes some voters, especially the younger ones, think of it as the party of bigotry. You are right that immigration is probably one of the most important areas to address in terms of voting groups, but you are wrong if you think the party's anti- gay stances aren't a problem both now and in the future. We gotta stop the bleeding.

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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    It's not about winning over the gays.
    Then what did you mean by "If the GOP is going to REMAIN relevant, it has to be open to CHANGE. THAT'S why this is of some importance to the party". If it is not about winning votes, there is no other relevance in politics. Cold hard truth.

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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Then what did you mean by "If the GOP is going to REMAIN relevant, it has to be open to CHANGE. THAT'S why this is of some importance to the party". If it is not about winning votes, there is no other relevance in politics. Cold hard truth.
    And what young people are going to vote for a bunch of stogy old white guys? Because that's the current perception. And it's bleeding the party. Not saying that supporting equal rights for same sex marriage is a magic bullet...it DOES go a long way from separating them from you're grandma's republican party, so to speak. If you can't support equal rights, what thinking person is going to vote for you, period? And our younger politically minded folks? They are THINKING people. Cold hard truth. Why do you think so many of them join the libertarian party?
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by RepublicanMcDuc View Post
    Being against gay rights tarnishes the party's reputation and makes some voters, especially the younger ones, think of it as the party of bigotry. You are right that immigration is probably one of the most important areas to address in terms of voting groups, but you are wrong if you think the party's anti- gay stances aren't a problem both now and in the future. We gotta stop the bleeding.
    Perhaps. I am not a republican but from my perspective, it is an issue of money. Businesses do not want to be subject to another discrimination cause of action against them and nobody seems to have a clue what same-sex marriage costs will be to the public, let alone private enterprise, when all those benefits are layered on.

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