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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

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    Tigger, from where do you derive support for your opinion that homosexuality is immoral?
    From the basic biological fact that a same-sex couple cannot create a new life through the standard means. Since life cannot be created and the species cannot be maintained through same-sex couples, that pairing is innately counter-natural and therefore immoral.

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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    From the basic biological fact that a same-sex couple cannot create a new life through the standard means. Since life cannot be created and the species cannot be maintained through same-sex couples, that pairing is innately counter-natural and therefore immoral.
    There is more to our species than propagating it.
    Me and my wife cannot procreate,so are you saying our relationship is immoral?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    There is more to our species than propagating it.
    True, to a degree. However, the progation of the species is a major part of human life, as it is for all species.

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    Me and my wife cannot procreate,so are you saying our relationship is immoral?
    I'm going to assume that you and your wife have the proper physiology, but that some portion of it does not work properly. Assuming that, the relationship is fine. That's simply a matter of Fate. However, in the case of a same-sex couple, the parts don't even fit together properly. Thus creating the issue.

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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    From the basic biological fact that a same-sex couple cannot create a new life through the standard means. Since life cannot be created and the species cannot be maintained through same-sex couples, that pairing is innately counter-natural and therefore immoral.
    I would then suggest your use of the word "immoral" is misplaced. I'm not even sure about "counter-natural" since instances of same sex coupling attempts is rife in the natural world.

    If i understand your definition correctly immoral or counter-natural should be replaced with unproductive.

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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by spanky View Post
    I would then suggest your use of the word "immoral" is misplaced. I'm not even sure about "counter-natural" since instances of same sex coupling attempts is rife in the natural world.

    If i understand your definition correctly immoral or counter-natural should be replaced with unproductive.
    There are also instances of 4 and 6 legged starfish as well. Nature does have its abnormalities. The difference here is that these people CHOOSE to engage in an act which they know (or should know) to be improper and unnatural from the start. Regardless of whether one believes their urges to be genetic or personal in nature, they have the higher-thought capacity to ignore the knowingly improper acts yet choose not to.

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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    There are also instances of 4 and 6 legged starfish as well. Nature does have its abnormalities. The difference here is that these people CHOOSE to engage in an act which they know (or should know) to be improper and unnatural from the start. Regardless of whether one believes their urges to be genetic or personal in nature, they have the higher-thought capacity to ignore the knowingly improper acts yet choose not to.
    Isn't something that happens in nature natural?

    For me, what makes something wrong and immoral is the harm it inflicts on another. Two consenting adults expressing love for one another just doesn't seem to fit that category in any way I can see.

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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    For me, what makes something wrong and immoral is the harm it inflicts on another. Two consenting adults expressing love for one another just doesn't seem to fit that category in any way I can see.
    Obviously we have different views on how to define immorality.

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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    There are also instances of 4 and 6 legged starfish as well. Nature does have its abnormalities. The difference here is that these people CHOOSE to engage in an act which they know (or should know) to be improper and unnatural from the start. Regardless of whether one believes their urges to be genetic or personal in nature, they have the higher-thought capacity to ignore the knowingly improper acts yet choose not to.
    Of course you have a right to your opinion but I find many of them to be haphazardly correlated and generally unsupportable other then a mysterious voice in your head telling you so (even homohating Xstians can fall back on a couple OT verses). If it IS your opinion they are immoral and unnatural then I would say don't engage in them. But for you to make that decision for others based on nothing more then a feeling in your spleen, well, to me THAT is immoral.

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    Re: Supreme Court will tackle same-sex marriage

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    True, to a degree. However, the progation of the species is a major part of human life, as it is for all species.
    Marriage isn't exactly necessary for our species to propagate.
    Is there some current danger of our species not being able to propagate that I am not aware of.
    Seems to me our species is propagating quite nicely.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I'm going to assume that you and your wife have the proper physiology, but that some portion of it does not work properly. Assuming that, the relationship is fine. That's simply a matter of Fate.
    It can be said that two people falling in love is a matter of Fate also.
    Marriage,on the other hand,happens to be a matter of Choice.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    However, in the case of a same-sex couple, the parts don't even fit together properly. Thus creating the issue.
    An issue for who?
    Maybe for you,but apparently it isn't issue an issue for everybody.
    Marriage is more then "tab A fitting into slot B".
    Isn't there a saying,"Love conquers all"?
    Whether certain parts are missing,or certain parts don't fit,is not good enough reason to deny two consenting willing adults the right to marry.

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