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    Re: State Laying Groundwork for Managed Bankruptcy in Detroit

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Yeah...it was Democrats that ruined the rust belt and Detroit...not the "creative destruction" of Capitalism.
    Do unions vote Republican? If not, then yeah, it was Democrats that ruined the rust belt and Detroit.

    Never fear! Michigan is about to become a right to work state, and that will be the beginning of a comeback. But I betcha the Dems are against any positive policy changes.
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    Re: State Laying Groundwork for Managed Bankruptcy in Detroit

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    for a little while, anyway.
    Well... it's not like you can move to Texas the next day, these things take time...

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    Re: State Laying Groundwork for Managed Bankruptcy in Detroit

    Isn't it about time to toss in the towel on detroit? How long have we been trying to save the city that based it's existence on a pretty singular thing? Now car manufacturing is done all over the place and detroit is never going to be what it was again. On top of that you have crappy weather, a burned out city, and no one in their right mind is going to put something there. Detroit is like a fixer upper in the middle of a bog.

    What I am saying is it needs to fully collapse. It is now just a place for high priced politicians to pretend to be powerful. Detroit needs to find a sustainable level and it certainly is not that of a big city. So it needs to collapse and people need to move on. Yes, i know i am talking about peoples lives and this is cruel and all, but this sort of thing happens.

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    Re: State Laying Groundwork for Managed Bankruptcy in Detroit

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Do unions vote Republican? If not, then yeah, it was Democrats that ruined the rust belt and Detroit.

    Never fear! Michigan is about to become a right to work state, and that will be the beginning of a comeback. But I betcha the Dems are against any positive policy changes.
    They can't come back, the jobs are already being done elsewhere. It would seem there is something to be said for the wastefullness of overinflated unions and how they will drive manufacturing elsewhere if you let them become to big. As for detroit the work is gone and there really is no reason to go back there.

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    Re: State Laying Groundwork for Managed Bankruptcy in Detroit

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    They can't come back, the jobs are already being done elsewhere. It would seem there is something to be said for the wastefullness of overinflated unions and how they will drive manufacturing elsewhere if you let them become to big. As for detroit the work is gone and there really is no reason to go back there.
    Agreed that they won't go back to making Model T and Model A Fords, but an awful lot of vehicles are still made in this country. Over the last generation, those jobs have moved to right-to-work states in the south. In fact I read a few years ago that if you are into "Buy American" you should buy Honda or Toyota because they have more American content in them than the Big Three (which have a lot of Canadian labor in them). Those southern plants have been profitable because they pay as well as union jobs up north, but they don't have to comply with the union rules that are strangling the northern factories.
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    Re: State Laying Groundwork for Managed Bankruptcy in Detroit

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That was the result of breaking the law, not conservative policies.
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    Re: State Laying Groundwork for Managed Bankruptcy in Detroit

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Agreed that they won't go back to making Model T and Model A Fords, but an awful lot of vehicles are still made in this country. Over the last generation, those jobs have moved to right-to-work states in the south. In fact I read a few years ago that if you are into "Buy American" you should buy Honda or Toyota because they have more American content in them than the Big Three (which have a lot of Canadian labor in them). Those southern plants have been profitable because they pay as well as union jobs up north, but they don't have to comply with the union rules that are strangling the northern factories.
    The thing is they pay a good wage, and the area is cheap to live in and nice. The wage would not get you buy in a big city, but in the rural areas it does get you far. In the area that I am in you could live pretty well on full time minimum wage without debt. Unions should come around when the workers need to overcome something that an employer is not handling properly. However, most employers now have HR people who try to find problems before they arise. You don't need a permanent union and the only thing those unions did is drive wages up to the point where it was cheaper to go elsewhere, and waste money. Had they quit when they were ahead and got the benefits they originally formed the union for they might have done better. But people get greedy.

    The dems better be aware, their future does not lie in the unions either. The only reason the dems are doing good right now is that their opponents are having a meltdown/collapse. They are still part of the problem. The only reasonj I support them is because they are easier to turn the way you want. They are not great, but they are also not republican fascists either.

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    Re: State Laying Groundwork for Managed Bankruptcy in Detroit

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Agreed that they won't go back to making Model T and Model A Fords, but an awful lot of vehicles are still made in this country. Over the last generation, those jobs have moved to right-to-work states in the south. In fact I read a few years ago that if you are into "Buy American" you should buy Honda or Toyota because they have more American content in them than the Big Three (which have a lot of Canadian labor in them). Those southern plants have been profitable because they pay as well as union jobs up north, but they don't have to comply with the union rules that are strangling the northern factories.
    besides which, Hondas and Toyotas, unlike most of the GM models, are well designed and reliable. That's the real difference, so what do unions have to do with that? Are unions designing vehicles now?
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    Re: State Laying Groundwork for Managed Bankruptcy in Detroit

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    besides which, Hondas and Toyotas, unlike most of the GM models, are well designed and reliable. That's the real difference, so what do unions have to do with that? Are unions designing vehicles now?
    GM just couldn't compete with auto manufacturers who were turning out a better product for less money. Because of pensions, union laws against firing and streamlining production through technology, etc., GM had to cut corners in the quality of their product. They should never have been bailed out by Obama, a man with no business experience whatsoever, and obviously easily duped. It's also bad news for those remaining Americans who do pay taxes.

    General Motors Is Headed For Bankruptcy -- Again - Forbes

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    Re: State Laying Groundwork for Managed Bankruptcy in Detroit

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    GM just couldn't compete with auto manufacturers who were turning out a better product for less money. Because of pensions, union laws against firing and streamlining production through technology, etc., GM had to cut corners in the quality of their product. They should never have been bailed out by Obama, a man with no business experience whatsoever, and obviously easily duped. It's also bad news for those remaining Americans who do pay taxes.

    General Motors Is Headed For Bankruptcy -- Again - Forbes
    That's partially correct. If you compare like models, you'll see that the GM models are actually about the same price if not cheaper. The problems are in the design primarily.

    And no, they should never have been bailed out by the government. The feds owning a large part of
    GM is the closest we've ever come to real life socialism, and it isn't working out so well.
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