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    Re: U.S. Adds 146,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Oh, please. That is, we have a higher proportion of younger people (16-64) who have chosen not to work than we've had since 1988.
    The main driver of that phenomena being the demand for higher education of some sort in high paying employment fields, rather than a sudden onset of slothfullness as some claim.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 146,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I tend to agree with Old Ben on the idea of "less is more"

    "I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I traveled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer." -- Ben Franklin
    I might go with Swift's A Modest Proposal. . Or maybe Dickens.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 146,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    Welfare isn't a way of life for most Americans. It is a hand up so that people who fall on hard times have a path to being a productive citizen again. We can't get rid of social programs just because some abuse it. We would save a lot more tax payer dollars by getting rid of corporate welfare. The Wall Street fat cats got rich while they crashed the economy, then when they got bailed out they paid themselves millions in bonuses.
    While I agree it isn't a way of life for "most", I have a feeling you underestimate the abuse. I recently read an audit of medicaid in NY City. They cited about 10% fraud. When you read a little further you realize that's "medical " fraud. Further on they happen to mention that there is an additional 20-30% "over paying for unnecessary services". And they're not only talking about doctors running extra tests but also things like driving services charging for giving people a ride to their appointments even though they've been dead for 2 years. If I transposed those numbers to my home state, you'd be talking 12-15% of the entire state budget. I know in Texas in the past they had one doctor steal $345 million.

    Sadly in this country welfare abuse isn't as much a problem as it is an industry.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 146,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.7%

    It's really disturbing how some people are cheering for the country to suffer merely because a Democrat is in the white house.
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    Re: U.S. Adds 146,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by gingern44 View Post
    While I agree it isn't a way of life for "most", I have a feeling you underestimate the abuse. I recently read an audit of medicaid in NY City. They cited about 10% fraud. When you read a little further you realize that's "medical " fraud. Further on they happen to mention that there is an additional 20-30% "over paying for unnecessary services". And they're not only talking about doctors running extra tests but also things like driving services charging for giving people a ride to their appointments even though they've been dead for 2 years. If I transposed those numbers to my home state, you'd be talking 12-15% of the entire state budget. I know in Texas in the past they had one doctor steal $345 million.

    Sadly in this country welfare abuse isn't as much a problem as it is an industry.
    Corporate welfare abuse costs the US much more than social welfare abuse. Still, we shouldn't force people who really need a hand up to starve and go without medical care because of the ones who abuse the system. Those who do abuse it and are caught get punished, so it's not like they get by with it over and over again. I worked for the prison for many years and we had inmates that were in for welfare fraud.
    I simply don't see that abuse of the system is a reason why we should get rid of social welfare. Now, corporate welfare is another matter. We paid billions to bail out large banks, and the bank fat cats paid themselves millions. No one went to jail for it. Now that is real abuse in my opinion.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 146,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    it's slowly crawling back. let's hope that the both sides don't screw it up by letting us go over the cliff, or by enacting the changes too quickly.
    No, we all know Obama cooked the books to help Biden in 2016..... as we all know, the BLS data is contained on an Excel spreadsheet sitting on Obama's harddrive.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 146,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    No, we all know Obama cooked the books to help Biden in 2016..... as we all know, the BLS data is contained on an Excel spreadsheet sitting on Obama's harddrive.
    the positive reports are cooked; the negative reports are accurate. for democratic partisans, switch the terms "positive" and "negative."

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    Re: U.S. Adds 146,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's a stupid idea. Shows a complete lack of understanding of the reality of the human condition.
    Its the reality of the situation that Obama has created. Its got nothing to do with the human condition, whatever that means.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 146,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.7%

    If the job results remain positive in the next couple of months one man in this forum will insist the results are cooked.

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    Re: U.S. Adds 146,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    Welfare doesn't pay for luxuries. People who play the system work side jobs they don't report to buy those things. You can't judge everyone based on what a few do. There are a lot of people who need the social programs as a hand up, and they have no intention of staying on welfare. The majority of people getting public assistance would rather work and provide a better life for themselves and their families. There are also many cases where people can't rise above poverty because they have health problems that could be corrected with basic medical care. However, Most adults can't get Medicaid or cheap medical care. My daughter was working hard to provide for her and her children, until she fell ill When the medical bills pilled up and when she couldn't get medical care she ended up losing her job and the debt from medical bills caused her to have to move in with me and my husband. She is better now, but the point is there are many hard working people who try to take responsibility for themselves but face set backs which are not of their own making. Frankly I cam getting tired of the GOP claiming my daughter is a parasite on society when the real parasites are making millions in bonuses and having the government bail them out because they manage banks or big business.
    Wow, its a good thing I’m not affiliated with the GOP. Of course there are people out there that need help, both financially and medically. My problem is this shouldn’t be a government solution. there are plenty of charitable organizations out there that are designed specifically for problems like you stated above. Our federal is fat and bloated, and only getting fatter. The federal government was never designed to be the solution to peoples problems. In most cases, they are the cause of them! If the fed backed off and allowed people to be decent to one another, there wouldn’t be half the social problems there are now! Im not debating weather people in need should receive help, im simply stating that the help shouldnt come from the federal government.

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