Page 10 of 22 FirstFirst ... 8910111220 ... LastLast
Results 91 to 100 of 219

Thread: U.S. Adds 146,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.7%

  1. #91
    Educator Dpetty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Last Seen
    04-05-17 @ 10:35 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    967

    Re: U.S. Adds 146,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Your understanding of the poor is total BS!

    You've obviously gotten these ignorant ideas from people like Limbaugh or Hannity.
    What am i wrong about? I work in a ghetto city and i see these small corner stores with people lined up around the corner on days when their horizon cards get money. They go to these po dunk stores and exchange their horizon money for cash (minus a fee of course) so they can buy cigarettes and whatever else they want that they otherwise couldnt get on horizon and food stamps. If these people were in such dire need, wouldnt they use the assistance they are given in better ways? You cant tell me my understanding is BS when i see it with my own eyes on a daily basis.

  2. #92
    #NeverTrump
    a351's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Space Coast
    Last Seen
    09-09-17 @ 08:54 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    6,902

    Re: U.S. Adds 146,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty View Post
    If the fed backed off and allowed people to be decent to one another, there wouldn’t be half the social problems there are now!
    Just what good deeds have the fed actively disrupted? Any soup kitchen raids of late?

  3. #93
    #NeverTrump
    a351's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Space Coast
    Last Seen
    09-09-17 @ 08:54 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    6,902

    Re: U.S. Adds 146,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.7%

    Why would they look for work when they can live so comfortably on welfare? They dont even have to pretend to be looking for a job anymore!
    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty View Post
    Its the reality of the situation that Obama has created.
    What situation would that be? Any structural changes you'd like to clue us in on? Drastic increases in per recipient expenditures and standard of living?

  4. #94
    Educator Dpetty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Last Seen
    04-05-17 @ 10:35 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    967

    Re: U.S. Adds 146,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Just what good deeds have the fed actively disrupted? Any soup kitchen raids of late?
    They are taking more and more of our money every year in the form of taxes. Income taxes, property taxes, inheritance taxes, investment taxes, and the list goes on. That doesn’t leave many people with much money that they can give to charity or help out their next door neighbor. The funny thing about your comment is that i know of a few soup kitchens that have had to close their doors because they couldn’t afford to stay open. If the fed let us keep more of OUR OWN money, then people who are inherently decent, would use that money far more effectively than government ever could. Government isn’t exactly know for spending money wisely.

  5. #95
    Professor
    Hairytic's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Mississippi
    Last Seen
    10-01-13 @ 04:45 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    1,592

    Re: U.S. Adds 146,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty View Post
    Wow, its a good thing I’m not affiliated with the GOP. Of course there are people out there that need help, both financially and medically. My problem is this shouldn’t be a government solution. there are plenty of charitable organizations out there that are designed specifically for problems like you stated above. Our federal is fat and bloated, and only getting fatter. The federal government was never designed to be the solution to peoples problems. In most cases, they are the cause of them! If the fed backed off and allowed people to be decent to one another, there wouldn’t be half the social problems there are now! Im not debating weather people in need should receive help, im simply stating that the help shouldnt come from the federal government.
    The government being involved in social programs does not prevent people from being decent to one another. Government also does not prevent charities from opperating, however, charity organizations can not meet the needs of the masses. They can only supplement where government is lacking. Most charities rely on donations and government grants to opperate.
    The point is, charities along can not provide for the poor as well as the government can. If you take the government grants out of private charities, they would be even more lacking in their ability to provide for the needy.

  6. #96
    #NeverTrump
    a351's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Space Coast
    Last Seen
    09-09-17 @ 08:54 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    6,902

    Re: U.S. Adds 146,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty View Post
    They are taking more and more of our money every year in the form of taxes.

    The funny thing about your comment is that i know of a few soup kitchens that have had to close their doors because they couldn’t afford to stay open.

    people who are inherently decent would use that money far more effectively than government ever could.
    Nope! Quite the opposite in fact. You'd have to travel back in time quite a ways to find a period in which the government confiscated less.

    Due to federal intervention? Or the lack of communal support that you insist would suffice absent federal intervention?

    Perhaps, but they certainly couldn't act on the same scale or capacity, nor would the rural and urban sectors needs be addressed equally. A myriad of aspects that would prevent private charity alone from meeting the needs of the populace at large.

  7. #97
    Educator Dpetty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Last Seen
    04-05-17 @ 10:35 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    967

    Re: U.S. Adds 146,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    What situation would that be? Any structural changes you'd like to clue us in on? Drastic increases in per recipient expenditures and standard of living?
    Unless you have had your head stuck in the sand for the last 4 years, which many Americans have, then you would already know the answer to that question. There are over 100 million Americans on welfare today. Thats up more than 10 million since 2009! And this is according to the census beareu. That doesnt even incluse those receiving social security and midicare! Spending on food stamps alone is projected to reach 800 BILLIOn over the next decade. Obama spent over 1 TRILLION dollars on welfare spending in 2011 alone, that an increase of 32 percent over when he took office. He claims he wants to get people back to work, yet at the same time, he re writes the Clinton era reform to remove the work requirements! Is that enough change for ya? Id say thats pretty drastic expenditure increases.

  8. #98
    Educator Dpetty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Last Seen
    04-05-17 @ 10:35 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    967

    Re: U.S. Adds 146,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    The government being involved in social programs does not prevent people from being decent to one another. Government also does not prevent charities from opperating, however, charity organizations can not meet the needs of the masses. They can only supplement where government is lacking. Most charities rely on donations and government grants to opperate.
    The point is, charities along can not provide for the poor as well as the government can. If you take the government grants out of private charities, they would be even more lacking in their ability to provide for the needy.
    Where do you think the government gets the money to make these grants in the first place?? Do you honestly not know where the government gets money?? Its from US!! They take our money because they think they can use it better than we can. If the government is so good at providing for the poor, why is the problem getting worse and worse every year? Id much prefer to keep my money and use it to help the poor directly, rather than letting the government waste it on useless spending.

  9. #99
    Educator Dpetty's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Last Seen
    04-05-17 @ 10:35 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    967

    Re: U.S. Adds 146,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Nope! Quite the opposite in fact. You'd have to travel back in time quite a ways to find a period in which the government confiscated less.
    Source?
    Due to federal intervention? Or the lack of communal support that you insist would suffice absent federal intervention?
    There is no distinction as far as im concerned. People are being sucked dry to such an extent that they just dont have the money to support charity on a personal level. This is evidenced by the increasing amount of people lining up to RECEIVE charity. Before government got in te business of running peoples lives, people did support charity on their own. This isnt theory about the human psyche, its just the way it is, or used to be.

    Perhaps, but they certainly couldn't act on the same scale or capacity, nor would the rural and urban sectors needs be addressed equally. A myriad of aspects that would prevent private charity alone from meeting the needs of the populace at large.
    On the contrary. Local organizations would be much better suited to meet the needs of the people locally because they would be better able to see and understand those needs. Local people helping local people. A national welfare system is far less likely to meet the individual needs of its recipients. Even if you insisted on it being done at a government leve, local government (city or state) would still be better suited than federal...
    Last edited by Dpetty; 12-08-12 at 12:19 PM.

  10. #100
    #NeverTrump
    a351's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Space Coast
    Last Seen
    09-09-17 @ 08:54 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    6,902

    Re: U.S. Adds 146,000 Jobs; Jobless Rate Falls to 7.7%

    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty View Post
    Unless you have had your head stuck in the sand for the last 4 years, which many Americans have, then you would already know the answer to that question. There are over 100 million Americans on welfare today. Thats up more than 10 million since 2009!

    He claims he wants to get people back to work, yet at the same time, he re writes the Clinton era reform to remove the work requirements!

    Is that enough change for ya? Id say thats pretty drastic expenditure increases.
    Any clue as to what may have caused this phenomena? A Catastrophic financial event of sorts? Or did a large chunk of individuals simply catch a bad case of the "lazies" right around the time period in which trillions of wealth vanished and millions of jobs as well? I think I'll go with the former.

    News flash, this change in the allocation of assistance programs was lobbied for by dozens of governors, including one Mitt Romney of Massachuets in the prior decade. This stripping of the work requirement that so many have brayed and bemoaned endlessly about was simply a move that allows states to craft their own work requirements which can now include educational endeavors such as job training and trade focused classes. The states however, are not afforded this luxury unless they increase the work rolls of welfare recipents by 20%. A nod to states sovereignty and a move to increase the working rolls of welfare recipents, a Conservatives wet dream you would think?

    Key phrase in the quote you're responding to:
    Quote Originally Posted by a351
    Drastic increases in per recipient expenditures and standard of living?
    Most could've predicted an aggregate rise in recipients and overall expenditures due to the conditions mentioned above, but the trick would be demonstrating the seemingly lavish lifestyle of welfare recipents that you portrayed in earlier posts, and claimed Obama responsible for.

Page 10 of 22 FirstFirst ... 8910111220 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •