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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    My childhood state of Michigan will now have the chance to rebound out from under the Union yoke.
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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    It's that attitude that CEOs count on to keep wages low.

    "At least you have a job."

    A job that doesn't pay a living wage isn't that worth having. Those are supposed to be the jobs for learning how to work, developing work ethic, and improving your skills.

    Sadly, those are the jobs that adults are still filling, leaving teens and young adults out of the workforce.

    Simply put, the longer a graphic designer or computer engineer is working at Whole Foods as a cashier, the worse it is not just for them - but for all of us. The longer people are out of career-oriented work, the lower the wages in those fields go and as wages lower and/or stagnate it cause damage economy wide. Some of this is natural (some industries simply become outdated - being a whaler is not a particularly hot skill anymore); but some of it is manipulated and blame misplaced.

    Hostess didn't shut down because of the bakers. Hostess shut down because they failed to see a changing food economy - one that is steering away from processed food, making their products less marketable.

    That wasn't the bakers fault. It was the fault of leadership. The bakers simply gave them an out and a scapegoat.


    And yet the products with which Hostess used to compete are still being distributed. The brands that Hostess used to sell will soon be sold by others who purchase the rights.

    Your examples do not change the facts. Those 18,000 had jobs and now they don't. No amount of rationalization will pay the rent without a paycheck.

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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Michigan GOP pushes right to work; Zorn against | MonroeNews.com

    It is incredible this now. I'm not sure the state is ready for this...opinions?

    ps. I'm betting Haymarket's head is about to explode about right now...
    What this shows is that despite the liberal crowing about the Obama victory, republicans gained power at the state level. When a state like Michigan elects a republican governor and a republican legislature and is able to pass this sort of legislation, it tells you republicans should not run from their ideals and principles, but embrace those that have shown to be so successful on a state level. Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Virginia all have republican governors and many have republican controlled legislatures. There is no reason a republican cannot win those states on a national level and take the White House.

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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Great another stomp on unions and workers rights... Great... Moving back in time i see...

    I think this man said it best:


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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Great another stomp on unions and workers rights... Great... Moving back in time i see...

    I think this man said it best:
    Allowing people the right, to not associate with a union, is moving back in time?
    This change in law, does not ban unions, it bans forced payment of union dues.
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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Allowing people the right, to not associate with a union, is moving back in time?
    This change in law, does not ban unions, it bans forced payment of union dues.
    Limits free rider problem, a way of ensuring that all workers incur the costs of collective bargaining (e.g., join the union and pay dues) so that everyone is better off, restricts freedom of association by not allowing workers and employers to agree to contracts that include share fees and then also creates the free rider problem, lowers wages and worker health and safety is also endangered, also these kind of laws place limits on the sort of agreements individuals who act collectively can make with their employer.


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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    This is flat out wrong! I live in a right to work state and yes it is true you will get more jobs. However, most will be low paying jobs period. One of the main reasons middle class income has not gone up in over 30 years is the fact that some people have been told the lie that Unions are the reason. No it is not! This country was built on Unions. Please look at Texas most minimum wage jobs created, poor schools, and bad healthcare. I know you all have seen our disaster Rick Perry. He and his minions are behind these problems. Michigan just fell into a sink hole right to work. More like right to give corporations the right to do whatever whenever they see fit.

    Economists: Right-to-work states have lower-income residents, poor labor relations | Michigan Business | Detroit Free Press | freep.com
    Unemployment is pretty costly. I'd rather have more people with jobs, then less people with higher paying jobs. Plus, non-unionized jobs are less of a strain on budgets, and less likely to bankrupt a company so they are more stable. It may not be as sexy, but maximizing employment takes priority over wage growth for the health of society as a whole.

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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Good study what kind of impact these laws have on workers..
    http://www.epi.org/page/-/old/briefi...ngPaper299.pdf


    • Wages in right-to-work states are 3.2% lower than those in non-RTW states, after controlling for a full complement of individual demographic and socioeconomic variables as well as state macroeconomic indicators. Using the average wage in non-RTW states as the base ($22.11), the average full-time, full-year worker in an RTW state makes about $1,500 less annually than a similar worker in a non-RTW state.
    • The rate of employer-sponsored health insurance (ESI) is 2.6 percentage points lower in RTW states compared with non-RTW states, after controlling for individual, job, and state-level characteristics. If workers in non-RTW states were to receive ESI at this lower rate, 2 million fewer workers nationally would be covered.
    • The rate of employer-sponsored pensions is 4.8 percentage points lower in RTW states, using the full complement of control variables in [the study's] regression model. If workers in non-RTW states were to receive pensions at this lower rate, 3.8 million fewer workers nationally would have pensions.


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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Limits free rider problem, a way of ensuring that all workers incur the costs of collective bargaining (e.g., join the union and pay dues) so that everyone is better off, restricts freedom of association by not allowing workers and employers to agree to contracts that include share fees and then also creates the free rider problem, lowers wages and worker health and safety is also endangered, also these kind of laws place limits on the sort of agreements individuals who act collectively can make with their employer.
    Due pay member has it's own free rider problems to.
    Those are hardly never addressed.

    Example: One worker busts her/his butt, while the other does the absolute minimum.
    Both are protected equally by the union, even though one clearly doesn't deserve it.

    If some workers want to agree, then they are free to pay the dues.
    Others are free to negotiate their own wages.
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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Due pay member has it's own free rider problems to.
    Those are hardly never addressed.

    Example: One worker busts her/his butt, while the other does the absolute minimum.
    Both are protected equally by the union, even though one clearly doesn't deserve it.
    Bot do deserve because both pay into the union and both are part of the union.

    If some workers want to agree, then they are free to pay the dues.
    Others are free to negotiate their own wages.
    True but more often than not the only way workers gain concessions is through collective action and more often than not the collective action comes from the union and the union members.


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