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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

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    I was.
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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

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    Lets see, Hostess liquidated because it was a profitable company. No it was competition in the market place and the higher cost of 18,000 workers was the reason it closed. As for any golden parachutes the owners are out of a business, don't know what a kind of a parachute that is, when you go out of business sounds like that parachutes had big holes in it.

    Maybe you can tell me why unions have been losing membership for decades. Never mind I already know, bad ****ing management.
    Watch there, Born. You may be standing on your on dick there, mate.

    The predator investors who bought Hostess borrowed millions to upgrade their equipment, which they didn't do, and they transferred the debt to Hostess which was already in trouble. There was no way Hostess could survive. Then the predators investors asked the workers for concessions to help "save" the company. Then the predator investors went back a second time and asked the workers to cut benefits and pensions. All this while little was being invested in Hostess. Salaries for top management increased and golden parachutes were given to top management to keep them on board while the predators raided Hostess for all they could get.










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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

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    George Tech fan, right?
    UGA, but I am more of a hardcore NFL fan.
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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    It's interesting, isn't it? From the same people who want to control women's bodies! If it weren't for unions women would all be at home, barefoot and pregnant. That, ironically, is where many wrong minded ultra-conservatives would like women to be.
    This is the "unwilling to think for yourself" quote I was mostly referring to. Nobody believes this crap except maybe a dawg. Well there you go.
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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

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    UGA, but I am more of a hardcore NFL fan.
    It appears his post was an attempt to denigrate your choice of higher education.
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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    You're pissing on the wrong tree, code. Apparently you are the kind of Conservative who needs to find a reason to be offended. Get a grip on yourself and try to unhissy fit for just a second. If you will notice I did not say ALL Conservatives. I didn't even say Conservatives. So unless you represent wrong minded ultra-conservatives you are not the dog in this fight.

    I know and work with many conservatives. Most of them are good people who are normal mainstream folks. Some are extremely conservative socially and fiscally and while their positions don't align with even most conservatives, they are aware of that. They work, as most Americans, to have their views represented more in legislation. Then there is the cabal of ultra-right religionists, whom by the way, I referred to in an earlier post, which you apparently avoided in your haste to become immediately offended.



    These mouthy group of malcontents seek to impose their limited world view on the rest of us. I don't like them for doing that. It's fine with me until they try to impose their twisted beliefs on the rest of us via legislation and social engineering. Santorum, Perry and Beck - as I mentioned in a previous post you chose to ignore or missed in your rush to be a victim - people of that ilk and Akin and Bachmann and the people who support them are the conservatives I'm talking about. The conservatives who give conservatism a bad name. These kinds of people, who are small in number, but conservatives none the less are the reason I left the GOP. Until most conservatives can remove these ultra-right crazies from the neck of the GOP, the conservative crazies will continue to suck the life out of conservatism until it is dead.

    If you had said "religionists" instead of Conservatives, apparently what you meant, there would have been no confusion. I'm not crazy about ANYONE who has a better idea on how to live my life than I do forcing me to listen to it. On that, it seems, we are in perfect agreement.

    However, that extends in both directions on the political spectrum. I don't like any nut job telling me I need to change the way I do things because they know the Truth.

    I wasn't offended, by the way. Just amused.

    I get offended when a group of know nothing thieves is given the power to take my money and waste it on things that I wouldn't waste it on myself and then tell me that they know better when every shred of evidence from the long and painful record of history says they don't. That's offensive.

    I agree with you. I don't necessarily connect every comment with every poster and maintain a catalogue for reference, so, for me, every comment pretty much stands on its own merit.

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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    UGA, but I am more of a hardcore NFL fan.
    I'm from Georgia and graduated from UGA. How is it possible we have different points of view?










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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    It appears his post was an attempt to denigrate your choice of higher education.
    This comes from a guy who confuses Auburn with higher education.










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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    This comes from a guy who confuses Auburn with higher education.

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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Let's see... Non-union jobs vs no jobs at all.

    It's been my experience that something beats nothing every time.

    Are there any Hostess Former Bakers who are making more now than when they had jobs?
    It's that attitude that CEOs count on to keep wages low.

    "At least you have a job."

    A job that doesn't pay a living wage isn't that worth having. Those are supposed to be the jobs for learning how to work, developing work ethic, and improving your skills.

    Sadly, those are the jobs that adults are still filling, leaving teens and young adults out of the workforce.

    Simply put, the longer a graphic designer or computer engineer is working at Whole Foods as a cashier, the worse it is not just for them - but for all of us. The longer people are out of career-oriented work, the lower the wages in those fields go and as wages lower and/or stagnate it cause damage economy wide. Some of this is natural (some industries simply become outdated - being a whaler is not a particularly hot skill anymore); but some of it is manipulated and blame misplaced.

    Hostess didn't shut down because of the bakers. Hostess shut down because they failed to see a changing food economy - one that is steering away from processed food, making their products less marketable.

    That wasn't the bakers fault. It was the fault of leadership. The bakers simply gave them an out and a scapegoat.

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