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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    I never tire of listening to people who don't know any conservatives describe what they think Conservatives do and believe when they don't know and don't want to know any Conservatives.
    You're pissing on the wrong tree, code. Apparently you are the kind of Conservative who needs to find a reason to be offended. Get a grip on yourself and try to unhissy fit for just a second. If you will notice I did not say ALL Conservatives. I didn't even say Conservatives. So unless you represent wrong minded ultra-conservatives you are not the dog in this fight.

    I know and work with many conservatives. Most of them are good people who are normal mainstream folks. Some are extremely conservative socially and fiscally and while their positions don't align with even most conservatives, they are aware of that. They work, as most Americans, to have their views represented more in legislation. Then there is the cabal of ultra-right religionists, whom by the way, I referred to in an earlier post, which you apparently avoided in your haste to become immediately offended.

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky quoting self
    These people, this small cabal of ultra-right religionists, who are apparently hell-bent on social engineering an entire nation to conform with their twisted world view, who are intolerant and narrow minded, who are unwilling to recognize views and the wishes of the majority of citizens in this representative democracy, are doing all they possibly can to take the nation backwards.
    These mouthy group of malcontents seek to impose their limited world view on the rest of us. I don't like them for doing that. It's fine with me until they try to impose their twisted beliefs on the rest of us via legislation and social engineering. Santorum, Perry and Beck - as I mentioned in a previous post you chose to ignore or missed in your rush to be a victim - people of that ilk and Akin and Bachmann and the people who support them are the conservatives I'm talking about. The conservatives who give conservatism a bad name. These kinds of people, who are small in number, but conservatives none the less are the reason I left the GOP. Until most conservatives can remove these ultra-right crazies from the neck of the GOP, the conservative crazies will continue to suck the life out of conservatism until it is dead.










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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    If you are against the right to work you are against workers rights.
    Tell me that you weren't born and raised in Georgia.










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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Don't be obtuse. Then again, maybe you can't help it. Either way I'm not going to respond. If you don't know why, it won't matter.
    I'm not being obtuse, I was just pointing out that none of that crap was true and was nothing more than a bunch of partisan nonsense.

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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Lets see, Hostess liquidated because it was a profitable company. No it was competition in the market place and the higher cost of 18,000 workers was the reason it closed. As for any golden parachutes the owners are out of a business, don't know what a kind of a parachute that is, when you go out of business sounds like that parachutes had big holes in it.

    Maybe you can tell me why unions have been losing membership for decades. Never mind I already know, bad ****ing management.

    Why Hostess Had To Die - Forbes

    Choke on this article for awhile there are links to others that Hostess was "Bained" Otherwise back up your claim that Hostess was profitable?? Execs got 1.6 in payoffs after the bankruptcy. Please.

    The reason Union support has gone down is simple one Right to Work. The second is that a fairly large amount for years have been told Unions were at fault and they are bad. Union breaking has been apart of American history going back to Rockerfeller and the Barons that ruled America years ago. We as workers gave up little by little our bargianing right by voting in a bunch of rejects I would not trust with a potatoe gun. Unions will come back after a few more companies are done like Hostess.

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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Some continue to be predictable partisan hacks, partisan hacks who have displayed time and time and time again that they are unable and unwilling to think for themselves.
    Exactly; see post #7.
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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    It's interesting, isn't it? From the same people who want to control women's bodies! If it weren't for unions women would all be at home, barefoot and pregnant. That, ironically, is where many wrong minded ultra-conservatives would like women to be.
    I'm not concerned about a woman's body. I am concerned about that live human being many women opt to kill for convenience.

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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Tell me that you weren't born and raised in Georgia.
    I was.
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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Tim,

    I respect your opinion though I vehemently disagree. What you are suggesting is exactly what I am opposed to. You are suggesting social engineering as a solution. Social engineering is wrong. Eliminating jobs so that those who have jobs can own more is wrong. Keeping the little woman at home to decrease the divorce rate is wrong. I support equality.
    And I too respect anyone else reasonable opinion like yours. I just think even though the thought is unpalatable to many, someone needs to be home guiding our kids. I've been lucky enough (means I worked my ass off and sacroificed a lot of time with my kids during their formative years) to not to have to worry about money, and both my ex wife and my current wife have never had to work, and although not evidence incontrovertible, our kids are pretty healthy and happy. My divorce hit my two oldest kids pretty hard, and my two yuonger children of my second marriage were and continue to be hit in different ways by not being able to see thier two older brothers all the time, but all in all, I'm a pretty lucky guy.

    Like I said, too complex to prove, way to many variables and subjective definitions of what constitutes happy and healthy, but ATM, we're in pretty good shape, and I feel that someone home all the time contributed to this in a big way.


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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Exactly; see post #7.
    WTF? I don't belong to any political party. Give me a issue and I'll give you my position. Search this site to hell and back and tell me that I am a partisan or even support on liberal or conservative positions. What you seem to be saying is that whatever position I take I am a partisan to the opposing side. No wonder you are an Auburn fan.










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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    And I too respect anyone else reasonable opinion like yours. I just think even though the thought is unpalatable to many, someone needs to be home guiding our kids. I've been lucky enough (means I worked my ass off and sacroificed a lot of time with my kids during their formative years) to not to have to worry about money, and both my ex wife and my current wife have never had to work, and although not evidence incontrovertible, our kids are pretty healthy and happy. My divorce hit my two oldest kids pretty hard, and my two yuonger children of my second marriage were and continue to be hit in different ways by not being able to see thier two older brothers all the time, but all in all, I'm a pretty lucky guy.

    Like I said, too complex to prove, way to many variables and subjective definitions of what constitutes happy and healthy, but ATM, we're in pretty good shape, and I feel that someone home all the time contributed to this in a big way.


    Tim-
    My first wife didn't have to work and didn't want to. I'll be the first to tell you my kids benefitted from that. My current (and final) wife loves to work. She'd be miserable if she couldn't work. We chose not to have children. Her choice. My kids from my first marriage and my ex like my wife more than they like me. I can understand my ex feeling that way.

    I love my children, but I would have been horrible as a stay at home parent.

    At any rate, the genie is out of the bottle, good or bad. I don't think it is going back in.










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