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Michigan House passes right-to-work law

TheDemSocialist said:
Good study what kind of impact these laws have on workers..
http://www.epi.org/page/-/old/briefingpapers/BriefingPaper299.pdf


  • Wages in right-to-work states are 3.2% lower than those in non-RTW states, after controlling for a full complement of individual demographic and socioeconomic variables as well as state macroeconomic indicators. Using the average wage in non-RTW states as the base ($22.11), the average full-time, full-year worker in an RTW state makes about $1,500 less annually than a similar worker in a non-RTW state.
  • The rate of employer-sponsored health insurance (ESI) is 2.6 percentage points lower in RTW states compared with non-RTW states, after controlling for individual, job, and state-level characteristics. If workers in non-RTW states were to receive ESI at this lower rate, 2 million fewer workers nationally would be covered.
  • The rate of employer-sponsored pensions is 4.8 percentage points lower in RTW states, using the full complement of control variables in [the study's] regression model. If workers in non-RTW states were to receive pensions at this lower rate, 3.8 million fewer workers nationally would have pensions.
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Who exactly is EPI? Let's see....

It's also important to note what sort of organization the innocuously named Economic Policy Institute is. By just taking a look at the EPI board of directors, we find that 10 of the board members are heads or former heads of national unions, including Richard Trumka (AFL-CIO), Randi Weingarten (American Federation of Teachers), Andy Stern and Anna Burger (SEIU), Ron Gettelfinger (United Auto Workers), and Leo Gerard (United Steelworkers of America). Consider also that one of the institute's former senior economists, Jared Bernstein, is now the chief economist and economic policy advisor to Vice President Joe Biden.

Just a Reminder: The Economic Policy Institute is Dominated by Labor Interests | The Weekly Standard
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Hmmmm...So, the union take on the subject should be taken as gospel, and all whom disagree with union numbers are either dishonest, or lying am I getting close?
 
j-mac said:
By just taking a look at the EPI board of directors, we find that 10 of the board members are heads or former heads of national unions, including Richard Trumka (AFL-CIO), Randi Weingarten (American Federation of Teachers), Andy Stern and Anna Burger (SEIU), Ron Gettelfinger (United Auto Workers), and Leo Gerard (United Steelworkers of America). Consider also that one of the institute's former senior economists, Jared Bernstein, is now the chief economist and economic policy advisor to Vice President Joe Biden.
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Owned DemSocialist...try again
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Good study what kind of impact these laws have on workers..
http://www.epi.org/page/-/old/briefingpapers/BriefingPaper299.pdf


  • Wages in right-to-work states are 3.2% lower than those in non-RTW states, after controlling for a full complement of individual demographic and socioeconomic variables as well as state macroeconomic indicators. Using the average wage in non-RTW states as the base ($22.11), the average full-time, full-year worker in an RTW state makes about $1,500 less annually than a similar worker in a non-RTW state.
  • The rate of employer-sponsored health insurance (ESI) is 2.6 percentage points lower in RTW states compared with non-RTW states, after controlling for individual, job, and state-level characteristics. If workers in non-RTW states were to receive ESI at this lower rate, 2 million fewer workers nationally would be covered.
  • The rate of employer-sponsored pensions is 4.8 percentage points lower in RTW states, using the full complement of control variables in [the study's] regression model. If workers in non-RTW states were to receive pensions at this lower rate, 3.8 million fewer workers nationally would have pensions.
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psssttt...even your link shows that unemployment in RTW states are lower than in non-RTW states...
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Good study what kind of impact these laws have on workers..
http://www.epi.org/page/-/old/briefingpapers/BriefingPaper299.pdf
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Interesting article, thanks for the link. I found table 1 especially informative. Did you notice the race (white/black) disparity between non-RTW vs. RTW? Yeah, the RTW states percentage of black folks is almost twice that of non-RTW states. Also informative was the education level achieved by the non-RTW states. Yeah, they did have more college graduates (inc. post degrees) but rated lower in the lower categories. One could conclude that the non-RTW states are dumb racists states…OR they ran all the blacks out of their states then gained a college degree to join a union…I’m sure those loans for the college degrees were sound investments…
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Good study what kind of impact these laws have on workers..
http://www.epi.org/page/-/old/briefingpapers/BriefingPaper299.pdf


  • Wages in right-to-work states are 3.2% lower than those in non-RTW states, after controlling for a full complement of individual demographic and socioeconomic variables as well as state macroeconomic indicators. Using the average wage in non-RTW states as the base ($22.11), the average full-time, full-year worker in an RTW state makes about $1,500 less annually than a similar worker in a non-RTW state.
  • The rate of employer-sponsored health insurance (ESI) is 2.6 percentage points lower in RTW states compared with non-RTW states, after controlling for individual, job, and state-level characteristics. If workers in non-RTW states were to receive ESI at this lower rate, 2 million fewer workers nationally would be covered.
  • The rate of employer-sponsored pensions is 4.8 percentage points lower in RTW states, using the full complement of control variables in [the study's] regression model. If workers in non-RTW states were to receive pensions at this lower rate, 3.8 million fewer workers nationally would have pensions.
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After reading it some more I also noticed that the cost of living in RTW states is lower than that of non-RTW states. So naturally the cost of health benefits and wages would be lower.

In essense what you, and they showed...(and I find it highly amusing that neither you nor they picked up on this)...is that unions drive prices up and there by the cost of living up.
 
Risky Thicket said:
These people, this small cabal of ultra-right religionists, ............twisted world view............. who are intolerant and narrow minded........, who are unwilling to recognize views and the wishes of the majority of citizens....... deny equal rights to women and to people who are disabled would also deny rights to American workers. [/B]
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Libs always talk about being tolerant. You really dont sound tolerant of my views. You do not sound tolerant of my view that life is sacred. You do not sound tolerant of my religious views. You dont sound tolerant of my view that I should be able to get a job without being blackmailed by the leftest Union.

No common sense, unwilling to think for themselves, twisted thinking, narrow minded, all of these because I do not think the same way you do. Intolerant!!!! Yes, Risky, tell me more about being intolerant.
 
GmH said:
Libs always talk about being tolerant. You really dont sound tolerant of my views. You do not sound tolerant of my view that life is sacred. You do not sound tolerant of my religious views. You dont sound tolerant of my view that I should be able to get a job without being blackmailed by the leftest Union.

No common sense, unwilling to think for themselves, twisted thinking, narrow minded, all of these because I do not think the same way you do. Intolerant!!!! Yes, Risky, tell me more about being intolerant.
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Read my lean. Jesus H. Christ! I'm tolerant of your religious views as long as you keep them off me and man. Practice that Christiban **** on yourself and the people who think like you. I'm tolerant of that.
 
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GmH said:
If it quacks like a duck it is usually a duck.
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LOL! From where you stand damn near everyone must be a liberal. I do not want any religion in government, including mine.
 
Risky Thicket said:
I'm tolerant of your religious views as long as you keep them off me and man. Practice that Christiban **** on yourself and the people who think like you. I'm tolerant of that.
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Risky, this is an example of how you are coming across to me. Does it really sound tolerant?
I am tolerant of your Homosexual views as long as you keep them off me and man. Practice that Homosexual **** on yourself and the people who think like you. I'm tolerant of that
 
GmH said:
Risky, this is an example of how you are coming across to me. Does it really sound tolerant?
I am tolerant of your Homosexual views as long as you keep them off me and man. Practice that Homosexual **** on yourself and the people who think like you. I'm tolerant of that
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I don't care if you are gay, GmH. There are gay conservatives. My web developer is a gay conservative and very conservative and very religious. So you are not the only one. I've never said I was intolerant of gay people. I'm not. My web developer as an example is a reguar guy who happens to be gay. It's not like you or he chose to be gay anymore than I chose being straight. He's very conservative as well. That is something he choses to be. However, GmH, I never said you were gay. How would I have known?I'm thinking you have your threads mixed. I don't know why you felt compelled to tell me. I don't care if you are gay. I don't see it as being relevent.
 
Risky, you missed my point.
 
GmH said:
Risky, this is an example of how you are coming across to me.

Does the following really sound like a tolerant comment?

I am tolerant of your ******** views as long as you keep them off me and man. Practice that ******** crap on yourself and the people who think like you. I'm tolerant of that
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I edited my original comment

You claim conservatives are intolerant yet you make a remark like the above to me about being a Christian. It does sound like you are the intolerant one.
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Great another stomp on unions and workers rights... Great... Moving back in time i see...

I think this man said it best:
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I agree with you that MLK was a man of great courage and had an immense and lasting positive impact on the American society.

The quote you post reveals none of this, however, and only shows that along with his greatness, the pettiness of political cooperation claimed even MLK as a victim.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Good study what kind of impact these laws have on workers..
http://www.epi.org/page/-/old/briefingpapers/BriefingPaper299.pdf


  • Wages in right-to-work states are 3.2% lower than those in non-RTW states, after controlling for a full complement of individual demographic and socioeconomic variables as well as state macroeconomic indicators. Using the average wage in non-RTW states as the base ($22.11), the average full-time, full-year worker in an RTW state makes about $1,500 less annually than a similar worker in a non-RTW state.
  • The rate of employer-sponsored health insurance (ESI) is 2.6 percentage points lower in RTW states compared with non-RTW states, after controlling for individual, job, and state-level characteristics. If workers in non-RTW states were to receive ESI at this lower rate, 2 million fewer workers nationally would be covered.
  • The rate of employer-sponsored pensions is 4.8 percentage points lower in RTW states, using the full complement of control variables in [the study's] regression model. If workers in non-RTW states were to receive pensions at this lower rate, 3.8 million fewer workers nationally would have pensions.
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These figures are from this group:

Economic Policy Institute: Funding sources, staff profiles, and political agenda

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The Post reported that eight labor unions made a five-year funding commitment to EcPI in its first year:

AFSCME
United Auto Workers
Steelworkers
United Mine Workers
Machinists
Communications Workers
Service Employees
Food and Commercial Workers
The unions‘ first year funding commitment totaled $460,000, with another $340,000 coming from private foundations.

EcPI‘s budget has grown substantially since its 1986 birth, but labor unions remain major donors. Government filings show that in fiscal year 2008, labor groups contributed over $1.6 million; in fiscal year 2009, labor groups contributed over $2.5 million.

Between 2002 and 2005, half of EcPI‘s top donors were labor groups, adding a combined total of $3.89 million—about one-fifth of EcPI‘s total contributions during this period. The organization also received money from left-leaning foundations including George Soros‘ Open Society Institute. The full list of top donors, and the amount donated between 2002 and 2005, is shown below.

Ford Foundation: $3,871,000
American Federation of Teachers: $1,150,924
Open Society Institute: $1,011,400
Rockefeller Foundation: $850,000
Mott Foundation: $730,000
Wellspring: $700,000
Joyce Foundation: $650,000
AFL-CIO: $595,138
AFSCME: $562,997
SEIU: $410,923
UAW: $400,000
United Steelworkers of American: $400,000
National Education Association: $378,474
EcPI‘s Board of Directors is a "who‘s who" of powerful union leaders, including Richard Trumka (AFL CIO), R. Thomas Buffenbarger (IAM), Bob King (UAW), Randi Weingarten (AFT), Gerald McEntee (AFSCME), and Leo Gerard (Steelworkers).
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j-mac said:
What does the "H" stand for? Herbert? Horatio? Is this Jesus Horato Christ, the Latino, undocumented landscaper from San Diego?
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Howard. "Our father who art in heaven. Howard be thy name."
 
Dickieboy said:
Michigan GOP pushes right to work; Zorn against | MonroeNews.com

It is incredible this now. I'm not sure the state is ready for this...opinions?

ps. I'm betting Haymarket's head is about to explode about right now...
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Unions and democrats damn well know that if people have the right to choose to join a labor union the whole criminal racket is up.

Democrat politicians love their union payoffs not to mention the votes that keep them in power.... It shows how criminal the democratic party actually is.

Of course the republicans that voted against the bill only did so in an attempt to kiss democrat ass in exchange for potential votes on their upcoming pieces of legislation.
 
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