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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    My point exactly blame the Unions. Not the bosses that mis-managed the company and paid themselves a ton of money to run those compaines into the ground. The fact is this country needs more Unions. I find it really odd that in Japan it is 22 to1 ratio from Ceo pay to worker and in America it is 245 to 1. Yeah right to work seems to be working real well.


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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    To a liberal it's always the CEO's same with Hostess liquidating, what a crock, it is the unions driving out businesses and killing them. And you wonder why the union membership has been declining for decades. It's the mis-managed unions at fault.
    Wow really it was the employees. Okay riddle me this why just a couple of years ago did the employees of Hostess take massive benefit cuts and salary cuts. While the CEO and uppermangement did nothing? Who were the ones that are getting the golden parachutes. Not the twinky makers. The upper management of Hostess caused the compaines demise not the workers. I know Fox News wants people to believe that. However a majority of Americans dont.

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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    Wow really it was the employees. Okay riddle me this why just a couple of years ago did the employees of Hostess take massive benefit cuts and salary cuts. While the CEO and uppermangement did nothing? Who were the ones that are getting the golden parachutes. Not the twinky makers. The upper management of Hostess caused the compaines demise not the workers. I know Fox News wants people to believe that. However a majority of Americans dont.
    Lets see, Hostess liquidated because it was a profitable company. No it was competition in the market place and the higher cost of 18,000 workers was the reason it closed. As for any golden parachutes the owners are out of a business, don't know what a kind of a parachute that is, when you go out of business sounds like that parachutes had big holes in it.

    Maybe you can tell me why unions have been losing membership for decades. Never mind I already know, bad ****ing management.
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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    I didn't realize that there was any political party that was trying to control a females reproduction choices. Last time I checked, a woman still had the choice of whether or not to have sex, and if so, could easily obtain birth control pills. So tell me, who is trying to outlaw women from having sex, and/or trying to outlaw birth control pills, and could you please link me to the proposed legislation?

    Unless you are referring to Republicans opposing the government giving out free birth control pills through Obamacare... If that's the case, then you have again shoveled more dishonest liberal talking points.




    What specific rights are Republicans denying women?




    What specific rights are Republicans denying the disabled?




    What specific rights are Republicans denying American workers?
    Don't be obtuse. Then again, maybe you can't help it. Either way I'm not going to respond. If you don't know why, it won't matter.










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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Well, and argument could certainly be made that a lot of the problems with our children, divorce rates, and an over saturation in the workforce has led to a continuation of lower wages, no one home to guide the children, and divorce rates over 50%. I'm not saying women shouldn't work at all, but someone needs to be home, whether the man or the woman for the kids, and both men and women from a single household certainly over saturates the workforce, which keeps wages lower, generally speaking.

    Just a theory of mine. To complex with too many variables to prove, but my gut tells me a lot of the ills facing America over the last 40 years is due primarily to the breakdown of the family staple.


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    I respect your opinion though I vehemently disagree. What you are suggesting is exactly what I am opposed to. You are suggesting social engineering as a solution. Social engineering is wrong. Eliminating jobs so that those who have jobs can own more is wrong. Keeping the little woman at home to decrease the divorce rate is wrong. I support equality.










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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    This is flat out wrong! I live in a right to work state and yes it is true you will get more jobs. However, most will be low paying jobs period. One of the main reasons middle class income has not gone up in over 30 years is the fact that some people have been told the lie that Unions are the reason. No it is not! This country was built on Unions. Please look at Texas most minimum wage jobs created, poor schools, and bad healthcare. I know you all have seen our disaster Rick Perry. He and his minions are behind these problems. Michigan just fell into a sink hole right to work. More like right to give corporations the right to do whatever whenever they see fit.

    Economists: Right-to-work states have lower-income residents, poor labor relations | Michigan Business | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

    Let's see... Non-union jobs vs no jobs at all.

    It's been my experience that something beats nothing every time.

    Are there any Hostess Former Bakers who are making more now than when they had jobs?

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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    I've never really understood why anyone would be against the idea of right to work laws. No one should be forced to join a union to get a job. I'm not sure why anyone would think otherwise. Of course if you choose not to join the union, you shouldn't get any of the benefits of being a union member, but people should have the right to make that choice on their own.
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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    It's interesting, isn't it? From the same people who want to control women's bodies! If it weren't for unions women would all be at home, barefoot and pregnant. That, ironically, is where many wrong minded ultra-conservatives would like women to be.


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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Ahh, workers joining together to express grievances, working conditions, benefits and wages. That's called collective bargaining.
    Yes, I know what collective bargaining is. But unfortunately you didn’t answer the question. Would you like me to restate it?

    I'm well aware that I had an possible grounds for a law suit. It wasn't necessary as I belonged to a union. The union resolved the issue. There is no other information.
    Fair enough…don’t misunderstand my position. I have no position pro/anti on private sector unions. I DO believe in freedom and ones right to organize. If a majority elects to organize good for them, I hope it works out. But I ALSO believe in folks right to NOT be in a union…this is what I understand is the essence of RTW. I know there are specifics that ‘cloud’ the arrangement.

    Why do you insinuate that it was a performance issue on my part? Nice attitude you have there...
    It was not my intention to insinuate anything but merely to point out that over the MANY years of hearing stories I have come to learn there are commonly more sides to a story. The facts s you have detailed above bring more light into the situation than before thus I retreat to my previous position of lawsuit. No the company is not always right and we have various methods available to address these errors other than organizing. While I read you didn’t go that route it was available and certainly so if you were not a union member. Ultimately it appears your situation was borne of an administrative error which is commonly not corrected due to others evading of retribution. I’m glad it worked out for you and that your union experience has been beneficial.
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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    If you are against the right to work you are against workers rights.
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