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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    This is flat out wrong! I live in a right to work state and yes it is true you will get more jobs. However, most will be low paying jobs period. One of the main reasons middle class income has not gone up in over 30 years is the fact that some people have been told the lie that Unions are the reason. No it is not! This country was built on Unions. Please look at Texas most minimum wage jobs created, poor schools, and bad healthcare. I know you all have seen our disaster Rick Perry. He and his minions are behind these problems. Michigan just fell into a sink hole right to work. More like right to give corporations the right to do whatever whenever they see fit.

    Economists: Right-to-work states have lower-income residents, poor labor relations | Michigan Business | Detroit Free Press | freep.com
    When unions are really needed to protect workers they tend to organize whether they have special legal privileges or not. As it is today, Wagner act unionism is nothing more than legalized extortion and no longer has anything to do with protecting the workers. States rightly want to protect the general public and their own markets from such rackets.

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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    It's interesting, isn't it? From the same people who want to control women's bodies! If it weren't for unions women would all be at home, barefoot and pregnant. That, ironically, is where many wrong minded ultra-conservatives would like women to be.
    Well, and argument could certainly be made that a lot of the problems with our children, divorce rates, and an over saturation in the workforce has led to a continuation of lower wages, no one home to guide the children, and divorce rates over 50%. I'm not saying women shouldn't work at all, but someone needs to be home, whether the man or the woman for the kids, and both men and women from a single household certainly over saturates the workforce, which keeps wages lower, generally speaking.

    Just a theory of mine. To complex with too many variables to prove, but my gut tells me a lot of the ills facing America over the last 40 years is due primarily to the breakdown of the family staple.


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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    Corporate shills, turds and idiots, every one of them.
    Giving a worker the right to work, without being forced to join a union is bad?

    Personally, I'm not having a problem with a man going to work and working his way up the ranks, without having the union sanction those advancements.
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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    It's interesting, isn't it? From the same people who want to control women's bodies! If it weren't for unions women would all be at home, barefoot and pregnant. That, ironically, is where many wrong minded ultra-conservatives would like women to be.
    Unions did that?

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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    I can't find the actual text of either version of the bill online--even on the Michigan legislatures website. I've heard mention that Union dues would be voluntary and a lot about how much unions had done re: minimum wage and 8 hour work days
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    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/docume...-HEBH-4054.htm

    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/docume...-SEBS-0116.htm
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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Thank you. Although that is a marked up version, I can see that it is balanced. It govern sets requirements for either a company to implement a lockout or a union to institute a strike (Section 9 wasn't in the house link to say what those requirements are). It also says that no one can be denied joining a union and no one can be forced to join a union. I would not have been comfortable if it were not balanced.

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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    My point exactly blame the Unions. Not the bosses that mis-managed the company and paid themselves a ton of money to run those compaines into the ground. The fact is this country needs more Unions. I find it really odd that in Japan it is 22 to1 ratio from Ceo pay to worker and in America it is 245 to 1. Yeah right to work seems to be working real well.


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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Michigan GOP pushes right to work; Zorn against | MonroeNews.com

    It is incredible this now. I'm not sure the state is ready for this...opinions?

    ps. I'm betting Haymarket's head is about to explode about right now...
    Though I do support the ability to have unions, I also support keeping them voluntary and not manditory. Good for michigan to get rid of wasteful manditory union dues. Unions have a purpose to go after bad working conditions. Once those problems are done with then the union should also be done with. What is the point of a union when everything is going well aside from giving up part of your paycheck to people who don't do any work?

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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by TaraAnne View Post
    This is flat out wrong! I live in a right to work state and yes it is true you will get more jobs. However, most will be low paying jobs period. One of the main reasons middle class income has not gone up in over 30 years is the fact that some people have been told the lie that Unions are the reason. No it is not! This country was built on Unions. Please look at Texas most minimum wage jobs created, poor schools, and bad healthcare. I know you all have seen our disaster Rick Perry. He and his minions are behind these problems. Michigan just fell into a sink hole right to work. More like right to give corporations the right to do whatever whenever they see fit.

    Economists: Right-to-work states have lower-income residents, poor labor relations | Michigan Business | Detroit Free Press | freep.com
    Unions should not be a permanent fixture. they are there for crisis and when that is over they do not have any purpose. If I walk into a job and the pay is right for me, and the conditions are safe and acceptable I don't need a union. If you want to offer it to people as a voluntary thing then that is OK, but I don't want to have to pay a union so I can work. Get your own damned job, that is extortion if you ask me.

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    Re: Michigan House passes right-to-work law

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    How does RTW passage cause the ‘loss of collective bargaining’?
    Ahh, workers joining together to express grievances, working conditions, benefits and wages. That's called collective bargaining.

    This has nothing to do with collective bargaining, unionization or RTW. IF your agreement was in writing as you state you had an EXCELLENT lawsuit unless there is other information regarding a legitimate reason you were not performing in compliance with said written agreement you failed to provide in you anecdote…
    I'm well aware that I had an possible grounds for a law suit. It wasn't necessary as I belonged to a union. The union resolved the issue. There is no other information.

    Why do you insinuate that it was a performance issue on my part? Nice attitude you have there. The company is always right, yeah? I was performing in compliance with the written agreement, my employer was not honoring automatic step level increase based on military experience. The issue was not at all confusing or even a matter of contention other than the fact that the someone in HR did not input the appropriate code into my file. The company then chose to ignore the mistake and repeatedly ignored it. The collective power of the union had a hell of a lot more power than one employee who was getting ****ed over. It was such a simple issue to fix that it was fixed and a check for backpay was written and delivered across town in less than 8 hours, after the union made a phone call in my behalf.










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