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    Re: Gay marriage in Washington state: 279 licenses in first six hours

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It is emotional. Divorce rates and SSM are two entirely separate issues. The only reason to put them together is to create an emotional appeal.
    Its like saying we shouldn't have freed the slaves because it just led to unemployment as some couldn't find a job.

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    Re: Gay marriage in Washington state: 279 licenses in first six hours

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I assume then that you support banning all marriage until you can get this program start then right?
    Why go through the extra steps and delay in passing legislation to ban marriage when we can just cut to the chase and require pre-marital counseling for everyone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I mean if you don't support allowing gay marriage because they may on average end in divorce 50% of the time, then why allow heterosexual marriage that also ends in divorce 50% of the time?
    I'm not terribly turned off at the idea of eliminating marriage if half will fail anyway. IMO either **** or get off the pot, fix the problem or shut it down. I'd rather fix the problem, but don't think a threat to get rid of marriage will denture me because I'm not to far away from that already; you can't divorce if you never marry, and many countries have stable couples without ever legally marrying.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    And might I mention that hetrosexuals being what they are tend to have more children than homosexuals, including natural and adoptive means of acquiring a child, therefore they are an even bigger risk to your interests as a citizen.
    Many gays have children also, please don't discriminate against them. We need to exercise equality by being inclusive. "Marriage" is "marriage" regardless if they're a mixed race, same race, different religions, same sex, etc. Everyone faces the same basic, predictable, preventable problems.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Also I made an assumption about how divorces effect you as an individual, but seriously how the hell does divorce effect you as an individual?
    Someone else's divorce harms me especially when there's children involved because those children are much more likely to commit juvenile crime. It may be my car that gets keyed or mailbox broken. Getting older, these children may face the business end of my .38 should they try to mug me. These children are also more likely to be pregnant teens looking for abortions, so promoting healthy families is one way of reducing the rate of unwanted pregnancy and abortion.

    There are many ways divorce affects those not directly involved, but you're just checking he perimeter of my argument for weaknesses, so I'll stop there.

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    Re: Gay marriage in Washington state: 279 licenses in first six hours

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It is emotional. Divorce rates and SSM are two entirely separate issues. The only reason to put them together is to create an emotional appeal.
    I know my motivations, so if you see it differently, I'll respect your opinion.

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    Re: Gay marriage in Washington state: 279 licenses in first six hours

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Its like saying we shouldn't have freed the slaves because it just led to unemployment as some couldn't find a job.
    Exept gays were never slaves. In slavery, gays were equal. If you were a black gay, you were a slave regardless. If you were a white gay who owned land, you had many freedoms regardless.

    I think many black people get offended when gays compare themselves to black-suffrage, which is why so many Blacks voted against ssm right after voting for Obama in the 2008 election.

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    Re: Gay marriage in Washington state: 279 licenses in first six hours

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I know my motivations, so if you see it differently, I'll respect your opinion.
    I know your motivations to. Divorce rate and marriage rights are seperate issues. They stand or fall on their own merits. The two are not in any way related except in both dealing on some level as marriage. You have had this pointed out to you many times, and yet you still misrepresent what people have told you on this.
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    Re: Gay marriage in Washington state: 279 licenses in first six hours

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I know your motivations to. Divorce rate and marriage rights are seperate issues. They stand or fall on their own merits. The two are not in any way related except in both dealing on some level as marriage. You have had this pointed out to you many times, and yet you still misrepresent what people have told you on this.
    I see marrying and divorcing as the same issue because they are both actions taken under the same contract. Just as marrying should first require reasonable preventive medicine, so should divorce first require reasonable preventive medicine, and for the exact same reasons. I understand and respect that you have a different opinion, but I have no intention to participate in a pissing contest over it, so consider yourself the winner.

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    Re: Gay marriage in Washington state: 279 licenses in first six hours

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Why go through the extra steps and delay in passing legislation to ban marriage when we can just cut to the chase and require pre-marital counseling for everyone?


    I'm not terribly turned off at the idea of eliminating marriage if half will fail anyway. IMO either **** or get off the pot, fix the problem or shut it down. I'd rather fix the problem, but don't think a threat to get rid of marriage will denture me because I'm not to far away from that already; you can't divorce if you never marry, and many countries have stable couples without ever legally marrying.


    Many gays have children also, please don't discriminate against them. We need to exercise equality by being inclusive. "Marriage" is "marriage" regardless if they're a mixed race, same race, different religions, same sex, etc. Everyone faces the same basic, predictable, preventable problems.


    Someone else's divorce harms me especially when there's children involved because those children are much more likely to commit juvenile crime. It may be my car that gets keyed or mailbox broken. Getting older, these children may face the business end of my .38 should they try to mug me. These children are also more likely to be pregnant teens looking for abortions, so promoting healthy families is one way of reducing the rate of unwanted pregnancy and abortion.

    There are many ways divorce affects those not directly involved, but you're just checking he perimeter of my argument for weaknesses, so I'll stop there.
    Well heterosexual couples have more children in the sense that because there are so many more heterosexual couples than gay couples of course they have a lot more, therefore if we got rid of heterosexual marriage there would be a lot less divorces overall than getting rid of SSM even if the rate of divorce for the two is the same.

    Also, I prefer government out of my personnel life. Its ridiculous how you want the government to have little to no gun control but literally want them to coach everyone on how to conduct their marriages. How about you be a conservative and tell the government to shove it.

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    Re: Gay marriage in Washington state: 279 licenses in first six hours

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Well heterosexual couples have more children in the sense that because there are so many more heterosexual couples than gay couples of course they have a lot more, therefore if we got rid of heterosexual marriage there would be a lot less divorces overall than getting rid of SSM even if the rate of divorce for the two is the same.

    Also, I prefer government out of my personnel life.
    Its ridiculous how you want the government to have little to no gun control but literally want them to coach everyone on how to conduct their marriages. How about you be a conservative and tell the government to shove it.
    I hear you, that's why I'm not far from just saying 'shut it down'. If you don't need a permit to carry a gun then why should need a license to marry? That was just don to track taxes anyway.

    The other side of the coin is, if one state's marriage license is good in every state, then my CCW should also be good in every state.

    A little consistency is all I ask for.

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    Re: Gay marriage in Washington state: 279 licenses in first six hours

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    And again, I'm not the only person who shared that opinion, but you're only targeting me because the other person who said that is Progressive.

    This means your post is just to attack a Conservative any way you can, that the argument you use to attack the Conservative is irrelevant, and thus dishonest and not to be taken at face value.

    You want to argue against a Conservative just so that you can be seen arguing against a Conservative. You're 'grandstanding'. Win or lose the argument itself, you win just by having the argument because it will get you personal sympathy from your side. The Taliban does the same thing when a lone gunman lets off a few rounds from his house and then flees. His goal wasn't to nuke the convoy or even cause damage. His goal was just to be seen shooting at Americans. It's political. It's propaganda.

    Likewise the whole fight over ssm is not to actually improve the marital institution or American lives, it's for the Left just to be seen as sticking up for a voting block, even while nothing is accomplished.

    This is why the GOP lost the election, because the Right is focused on results while the Left is focused on appearance.
    No, you were pretty rude. Stop trying to pretend you were just being like other people. you have a thing against gays, and now you are trying to be condescending saying you were not obnoxious. You flat out said gays do not hold their marriage as sacred and tied in the most common conservative christian insult. No one buys it, and you really need to take some responsibility for it. If you don't like gay marriage that is your choice, but don't pretend to be on their side while insulting them.

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    Re: Gay marriage in Washington state: 279 licenses in first six hours

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    No, you were pretty rude. Stop trying to pretend you were just being like other people. you have a thing against gays, and now you are trying to be condescending saying you were not obnoxious. You flat out said gays do not hold their marriage as sacred and tied in the most common conservative christian insult. No one buys it, and you really need to take some responsibility for it. If you don't like gay marriage that is your choice, but don't pretend to be on their side while insulting them.
    I'm sorry you feel that way. The issue of SSM meets many people who are more sensitive than others. I suppose I grew a thicker skin over time.

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