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    re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood accused of paying gangs to rape women[W:58]

    Actually Obama has not been silent on this issue...
    Obama tells Morsi violence in Egypt 'unacceptable'
    "The White House says President Barack Obama has called Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi to express "deep concern" about the deaths and injuries of protesters in Egypt.

    A White House statement says the president told Morsi that he and other political leaders in Egypt must make clear to their supporters that violence is unacceptable.

    The statement Thursday night said that Obama welcomed Morsi's call for a dialogue with opposition leaders in Egypt but stressed that such a dialogue should occur without preconditions. "


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    re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood accused of paying gangs to rape women[W:58]

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    re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood accused of paying gangs to rape women[W:58]

    One thing I have learned during my years at DP is that anything bad that happens anywhere in the world can be rationalized as Obama's fault by some people. Sometimes I just want to bang my head on the keyboard, and weep for the de-evolution of our species.

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    re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood accused of paying gangs to rape women[W:58]

    Back to the OP for a moment.

    First, I don't believe this accusation. I guess everyone has forgotten when the arab spring was starting in egypt and that us female reporter got attacked in Tahrir square and felt up by a bunch of guys. It's a problem there, just like a similar problem where a few guys pinched my wifes ass in Rome.

    Second, the supposed "liberals" that are protesting morsi's stupid move to temporarily take power, and protest the constitution drafting process. Morsi said it was only until the constitutional referendum took place, but trusting him is probably a hard thing for some to do.

    Morsi called for the constitutional committee to hurry up and they did. The draft of the new egyptian constitution looks to be a pretty darn good document to set Egypt up as a modern democracy.

    Perhaps the fear mongers and doom sayers about the Muslim Brotherhood should look to see exactly how pragmatic they have become and how undemonic they actually are.

    the only reason that the opposition parties are complaining is because they walked out of the drafting committee. A move that was pretty damn stupid, "we don't think you'll be fair so we won't participate in drafting it". Like not participating in the voting process and then protesting the outcome. Stupid and stupider.

    Despite that the resulting document includes:

    Egypt is an Islamic country and sharia forms the basis of its laws***
    freedom of speech, religion, media, assembly, movement
    gender equality in all laws
    outlawing any political party that does not support gender equality
    balance of powers - parliament, shura (senate), president, justice
    term limits on all elected positions
    presumption of innocence
    habeus corpus
    free healthcare
    free education including post secondary (both genders)

    and a bunch of other pretty decent stuff.

    here is an english translation of the draft. Its a tad long

    Egypt's draft constitution translated | Egypt Independent


    *** for the paranoid, sharia has huge amounts of stuff that is simply not applicable in the 21st century. Just like christians and jews no longer think that death is the appropriate punishment for cursing one's parents or hitting them. the term "sharia forms the basis of the laws" means that Egypt will have Islamic law which will be a mixture of sharia and english common law. (habeus corpus being but one example).

    this is a good start. The saudis/wahabiis are scared poopless about it and it appears that there are some of their paid "rabblerousers" in the crowd of "liberal" protesters. What is going on there is not all what it seems.
    If morsi can hold things together until the draft is debated and a final version is presented for the referendum, then Egypt will have lain the foundation for a bright and stable future. They will once re-gain their pre-eminent place in the arab world.
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    re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood accused of paying gangs to rape women[W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    We didn't get involved, unless you count statements as involvement.
    You are right. I misspoke.
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    re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood accused of paying gangs to rape women[W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Obama still remains silent on the Muslim Brotherhood and Egypt's new dictator he helped install, amazing!


    "Egypt’s embattled Muslim Brotherhood regime is paying gangs of thugs to rape women and beat men who gather in Tahrir Square to protest the power grab of President Mohamed Morsi, say activists.
    In a bitter replay of the Arab Spring protests that brought down President Hosni Mubarak nearly two years ago, protesters have flooded the Cairo square to denounce Morsi, who has stripped the judiciary of power and is rushing through an Islamist constitution. And while Mubarak is now in prison for using violence to quell protests targeting him, Morsi’s regime is now accused of doing the same.
    “This is still happening now,” Magda Adly, director of the Nadeem Center for Human Rights, told The Times of London. “I believe thugs are being paid money to do this ... the Muslim Brotherhood have the same political approaches as Mubarak.”


    Read more: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood accused of paying gangs to rape women | Fox News


    Another link if you hate FOX to much to look.

    Rape gangs of Tahrir Square | The Times


    Question now is, where is the obama media on this story?
    This story is a lie..........

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    re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood accused of paying gangs to rape women[W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    This story is a lie..........
    And you know that how?

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    re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood accused of paying gangs to rape women[W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Actually Obama has not been silent on this issue...
    Obama tells Morsi violence in Egypt 'unacceptable'
    "The White House says President Barack Obama has called Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi to express "deep concern" about the deaths and injuries of protesters in Egypt.

    A White House statement says the president told Morsi that he and other political leaders in Egypt must make clear to their supporters that violence is unacceptable.

    The statement Thursday night said that Obama welcomed Morsi's call for a dialogue with opposition leaders in Egypt but stressed that such a dialogue should occur without preconditions. "
    One private phone call compared to public statement after public statement when obama wanted Mubarak out, see the difference?

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    re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood accused of paying gangs to rape women[W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    One thing I have learned during my years at DP is that anything bad that happens anywhere in the world can be rationalized as Obama's fault by some people. Sometimes I just want to bang my head on the keyboard, and weep for the de-evolution of our species.
    You miss the point. Why is obama so silent about what is happening in Egypt now when he was so vocal before? Any ideas?

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    re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood accused of paying gangs to rape women[W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonsa View Post
    Back to the OP for a moment.

    First, I don't believe this accusation. I guess everyone has forgotten when the arab spring was starting in egypt and that us female reporter got attacked in Tahrir square and felt up by a bunch of guys. It's a problem there, just like a similar problem where a few guys pinched my wifes ass in Rome.

    Second, the supposed "liberals" that are protesting morsi's stupid move to temporarily take power, and protest the constitution drafting process. Morsi said it was only until the constitutional referendum took place, but trusting him is probably a hard thing for some to do.

    Morsi called for the constitutional committee to hurry up and they did. The draft of the new egyptian constitution looks to be a pretty darn good document to set Egypt up as a modern democracy.

    Perhaps the fear mongers and doom sayers about the Muslim Brotherhood should look to see exactly how pragmatic they have become and how undemonic they actually are.

    the only reason that the opposition parties are complaining is because they walked out of the drafting committee. A move that was pretty damn stupid, "we don't think you'll be fair so we won't participate in drafting it". Like not participating in the voting process and then protesting the outcome. Stupid and stupider.

    Despite that the resulting document includes:

    Egypt is an Islamic country and sharia forms the basis of its laws***
    freedom of speech, religion, media, assembly, movement
    gender equality in all laws
    outlawing any political party that does not support gender equality
    balance of powers - parliament, shura (senate), president, justice
    term limits on all elected positions
    presumption of innocence
    habeus corpus
    free healthcare
    free education including post secondary (both genders)

    and a bunch of other pretty decent stuff.

    here is an english translation of the draft. Its a tad long

    Egypt's draft constitution translated | Egypt Independent


    *** for the paranoid, sharia has huge amounts of stuff that is simply not applicable in the 21st century. Just like christians and jews no longer think that death is the appropriate punishment for cursing one's parents or hitting them. the term "sharia forms the basis of the laws" means that Egypt will have Islamic law which will be a mixture of sharia and english common law. (habeus corpus being but one example).

    this is a good start. The saudis/wahabiis are scared poopless about it and it appears that there are some of their paid "rabblerousers" in the crowd of "liberal" protesters. What is going on there is not all what it seems.
    If morsi can hold things together until the draft is debated and a final version is presented for the referendum, then Egypt will have lain the foundation for a bright and stable future. They will once re-gain their pre-eminent place in the arab world.
    The Saudis aren't scared poopless at all.

    in 2009-2010 and again this year Saudi scholars and clerics have come to the conclusion that because literacy was so terrible people began to think that tribal customs were Sharia law... That has opened the door on redefining Khulwas and ikhtilat.. so reforms are moving along rapidly.

    Its allows women to work with men, attend co-ed universities with their faces and hair uncovered.. they will have the vote next year..In Jeddah women wear pastel Abayas .. in Riyadh they decorate the dark ones with embroidery.. Women can now work as waitresses .. others are studying to be doctors, lawyers, engineers etc.

    There are female film makers...

    The Religious Police have been sharply reigned in and reduced in numbers .. and the new top man is a liberal who supports more freedom for women.

    so things are changing at an increasing rate.

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