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    re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood accused of paying gangs to rape women[W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Perhaps if the US had shown some real leadership......
    The only REAL CHANGE that the U.S. could have done was go in like Iraq. However, I'm pretty sure BOTH the GOP and the Dems were agianst this. So, what should the U.S. have done differently besides an all out invasion like Iraq?

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    re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood accused of paying gangs to rape women[W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The only REAL CHANGE that the U.S. could have done was go in like Iraq. However, I'm pretty sure BOTH the GOP and the Dems were agianst this. So, what should the U.S. have done differently besides an all out invasion like Iraq?
    Pick the side that was most pro-West and give them tons of money/crap to give away to buy votes. It is the core of DNC strategy here in the US so I would think you would get that......

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    re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood accused of paying gangs to rape women[W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Pick the side that was most pro-West and give them tons of money/crap to give away to buy votes. It is the core of DNC strategy here in the US so I would think you would get that......
    Ah so it's ok to be a ruthless dictator that shoots his own civilians as long as the dictator is Pro-West, got it thanks for the clarification.

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    re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood accused of paying gangs to rape women[W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Right Wing Definition of 'real leadership' - intervention in the domestic affairs of another nation in order to benefit the United States. The Caveat to that definition is that it only constitutes 'real leadership' if it turns out well. If it doesn't, it's bad leadership.
    Not withstanding I am not a right winger, yes if we are going to intervene then we should do it in our best interest. Adhering to abstract ideals is why Iraq went south so quickly--it was the ubber right wing notion that we shouldn't work with anyone associated with Saddam's Administration that collapsed services in the country (hey wait, leftists are the ones who usually have a problem working with tyrants. How weird is that?). The Egyptians could dissolve into the sand for all I care just so long as the Suez canal remains open. I am a realist as to how damaging it would be for the world if it were otherwise.

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    re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood accused of paying gangs to rape women[W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Ah so it's ok to be a ruthless dictator that shoots his own civilians as long as the dictator is Pro-West, got it thanks for the clarification.
    Yes. That is exactly it. You may not realize it because it does not match your panties, but if the Suez falls into the hands of radicals, there will have to be a war in which, you know, people die and stuff, to re-open the canal to western commerce. But hey, as long as they die free, why should we have the foresight to avoid their deaths?

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    re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood accused of paying gangs to rape women[W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Sorry, I couldn't read anything after that opening. If you aren't right wing in your posts, the pope is a southern baptist.
    I definitely lean to the right but part company over issues like abortion, population, the environment, religious fundamentalism etc. and I tow no partys line.

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    re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood accused of paying gangs to rape women[W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Not get involved...if we wanted to get involved, put boots on the ground.

    I voted for not getting involved and cut off funding.
    We didn't get involved, unless you count statements as involvement.

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    re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood accused of paying gangs to rape women[W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Yes. That is exactly it. You may not realize it because it does not match your panties, but if the Suez falls into the hands of radicals, there will have to be a war in which, you know, people die and stuff, to re-open the canal to western commerce. But hey, as long as they die free, why should we have the foresight to avoid their deaths?
    They won't close the Suez Canal... Tourism is dead.. and Egypt earns 5 billion a year from the Suez Canal.

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    re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood accused of paying gangs to rape women[W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Yes. That is exactly it. You may not realize it because it does not match your panties, but if the Suez falls into the hands of radicals, there will have to be a war in which, you know, people die and stuff, to re-open the canal to western commerce. But hey, as long as they die free, why should we have the foresight to avoid their deaths?
    "Radicals" or not why the hell would the ruling power in Egypt close the Suez Canal? That's ridiculous.

    Call them "radicals" all you want, Mursi and the Muslim Brotherhood are rational actors. Their primary goals are self-interested - gaining power and influence and ensuring the long term survival of their regime. Closing the Suez Canal is directly detrimental to both those goals.

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    re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood accused of paying gangs to rape women[W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    "Radicals" or not why the hell would the ruling power in Egypt close the Suez Canal? That's ridiculous.

    Call them "radicals" all you want, Mursi and the Muslim Brotherhood are rational actors. Their primary goals are self-interested - gaining power and influence and ensuring the long term survival of their regime. Closing the Suez Canal is directly detrimental to both those goals.
    Yes they are rational actors..

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