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    re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood accused of paying gangs to rape women[W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    You are missing the point. Obama was very vocal during the protest against Mubarak, why so quiet now?
    Arab spring was something that didn't happen before and was news. The whole world hoped for REAL good change in the Arab world because of this.

    So now with rape squads attacking female protesters what do we hear from obama? Cricket Sound - YouTube
    There is constant rape going on in Africa, do you want Obama to speak about that? There is attrocities being commited ALL OVER the world, should Obama talk about that as well?

    Tell you what, why don't you provide a complete listing of what you feel the president SHOULD or SHOULD not comment on ok?

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    re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood accused of paying gangs to rape women[W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Arab spring was something that didn't happen before and was news. The whole world hoped for REAL good change in the Arab world because of this.



    There is constant rape going on in Africa, do you want Obama to speak about that? There is attrocities being commited ALL OVER the world, should Obama talk about that as well?

    Tell you what, why don't you provide a complete listing of what you feel the president SHOULD or SHOULD not comment on ok?
    When obama inserted himself and his opinion during the Egyptian uprising he took ownership and now has a responsibility to comment on the aftermath of what he helped create.

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    re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood accused of paying gangs to rape women[W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    When obama inserted himself and his opinion during the Egyptian uprising he took ownership and now has a responsibility to comment on the aftermath of what he helped create.
    Umm, no, he has NO obligation to talk about EVERYTHING that happens when he had very little to do with it.

    I do believe the people responsible for the Arab Spring in Egypt were THE PEOPLE IN EGYPT.

    It's funny how conservatives, even though Al-Qaeda moved into Iraq AFTER the U.S. DIRECTLY got involved in Iraq, were supportive because conservatives said at least a horrible dictator was removed. However, when Obama helped (indirectly and not with a huge U.S. military force) the people oust their dictator in Egypt, conservatives now blame Obama.

    What a tangled web that conservtives weave sometimes. Conservatives talk about freedom of choice, but now would rather have the dictator have stayed in Egypt.
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    re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood accused of paying gangs to rape women[W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Install a puppet dictator and create a police force in Egypt similar to Savak.
    Ahh yes, just like the US did during Operation Ajax in 1953, when they overthrew the democratically elected leader of Iran and installed the Shah. The blowback from that is something we are witnessing today. And we wonder why they hate us? You can't meddle in the internal affairs of another nation and attempt to rule them by force without ending up with the kluster (insert f word here), that is Iran, and would also be Egypt, if we followed your advise. Whether you like or hate Ron Paul, he hit the nail dead on when he talked about it.
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    re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood accused of paying gangs to rape women[W:58]

    Maybe inroads for the ME branch of Planned Parenthood?

    See, selling abortion to Muslims might be difficult. But if there is a question of "what about rape cases?", well then...

    What? It's the common argument we get here all the time. Abortion on demand, one side doesn't agree, but rape and incest are a very small percentage. We all know it, both sides know the score. The R&I question is just a gotcha game. We all know the real intent, the exception is the shield. Kind of like Hamas hiding within the civilians and then making a big deal out of civilian deaths. Of course there will be deaths when you are using them for shields. But then you can use the passive aggressive argument to demonize the opposition. It's a good tactic for lawyers and liars and seems to serve the purpose just fine.

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    re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood accused of paying gangs to rape women[W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Umm, no, he has NO obligation to talk about EVERYTHING that happens when he had very little to do with it.

    I do believe the people responsible for the Arab Spring in Egypt were THE PEOPLE IN EGYPT.

    It's funny how conservatives, even though Al-Qaeda moved into Iraq AFTER the U.S. DIRECTLY got involved in Iraq, were supportive because conservatives said at least a horrible dictator was removed. However, when Obama helped (indirectly and not with a huge U.S. military force) the people oust their dictator in Egypt now blame Obama.

    What a tangled web that conservtives weave sometimes.
    I'm not a conservative and disagreed with the Iraq war as far as nation building went. My philosophy was go in and kill the right people, break the right things and then get out. As we left I would say, whoever takes this piece of crap country over, if you act like Saddam we will be back. I have enjoyed our debate this morning, you are one of the rare people in here that can discuss an issue without couching everything in personal attacks, I have to get busy though. Have a good day.

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    re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood accused of paying gangs to rape women[W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I'm not a conservative and disagreed with the Iraq war as far as nation building went. My philosophy was go in and kill the right people, break the right things and then get out. As we left I would say, whoever takes this piece of crap country over, if you act like Saddam we will be back. I have enjoyed our debate this morning, you are one of the rare people in here that can discuss an issue without couching everything in personal attacks, I have to get busy though. Have a good day.
    Sorry, got you confused with another poster's views on Iraq. My apologies.

    I agree mostly with what you said except for just leaving after we bomb the right people. Power vacuums are very dangerous things and unpredictable.

    I agree wtih going into Afghanistan because the U.S. was directly attacked by terrorists the Afghanistan government was harboring. I don't think we should have gone into Iraq though for the main reason that terrorists moved in like they did afterwords. Also, my fear is that the Iraq government at some point will become just as corrupt as Saddam eventually.

    Anyways, have a good day!

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    re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood accused of paying gangs to rape women[W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Morsi is doing nothing other than follow the Mubarak model. Different name--same messed up culture. People seem to forget or never knew that there was some quasi-democracy in Egypt before the Arab Spring. We have change without a difference there. Perhaps if the US had shown some real leadership......
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    re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood accused of paying gangs to rape women[W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    What could the US have done differently to avoid this situation?
    Not get involved...if we wanted to get involved, put boots on the ground.

    I voted for not getting involved and cut off funding.
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    re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood accused of paying gangs to rape women[W:58]

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I'm not a conservative ...
    Sorry, I couldn't read anything after that opening. If you aren't right wing in your posts, the pope is a southern baptist.
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