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    U.S.-Approved Arms for Libya Rebels Fell Into Jihadisí Hands

    U.S.-Approved Weapons Transfer Ended Up With Libyan Jihadis - NYTimes.com

    WASHINGTON ó The Obama administration secretly gave its blessing to arms shipments to Libyan rebels from Qatar last year, but American officials later grew alarmed as evidence grew that Qatar was turning some of the weapons over to Islamic militants, according to United States officials and foreign diplomats.

    Now evidence has emerged linking the weapons provided by the Qataris during the uprising against Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi to the attack that killed four Americans at the United States diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, in September.
    They raided the consulate in Benghazi and killed our Ambassador with weapons provided to them by the Obama Administration

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    But in the months before, the Obama administration clearly was worried about the consequences of its hidden hand in helping arm Libyan militants, concerns that have not previously been reported. The weapons and money from Qatar strengthened militant groups in Libya, allowing them to become a destabilizing force since the fall of the Qaddafi government.
    Apparently the same tactic has been deployed in Syria, where terrorists groups have been armed with US made surface to air missiles.

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    Re: U.S.-Approved Arms for Libya Rebels Fell Into Jihadisí Hands

    It was worth getting rid of Gaddafi and it will be worth getting rid of Assad. It's time for democracy and development.

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    We shouldn't be selling or giving arms to any country.Friends can turn into enemies and in this case fall into enemy hands.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: U.S.-Approved Arms for Libya Rebels Fell Into Jihadisí Hands

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    We shouldn't be selling or giving arms to any country.Friends can turn into enemies and in this case fall into enemy hands.
    You really think a few small arms and outdated (for us) surface to air missiles is a threat to the US? No, it's not. Dictators cannot be allowed to bomb people with their own airforce unopposed militarily. They're Islamists? I don't care; they're being bombed by their own airforce - arm them.
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    Re: U.S.-Approved Arms for Libya Rebels Fell Into Jihadisí Hands

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It was worth getting rid of Gaddafi and it will be worth getting rid of Assad. It's time for democracy and development.
    Democracy and development like what they got going on in Egypt? The Arab Spring didn't do anything but take the ME away from ruthless dictators who wanted nothing but to be left alone to run their tyrannical governments the way they wished and hand it over to ruthless jihadis who want to kill all the infidels, around the globe.

    As far the people of these countries are concerned, nothing changed, except maybe things got worse.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Democracy and development like what they got going on in Egypt? The Arab Spring didn't do anything but take the ME away from ruthless dictators who wanted nothing but to be left alone to run their tyrannical governments the way they wished and hand it over to ruthless jihadis who want to kill all the infidels, around the globe.
    There's a bit more to it than that. Democracy takes time. Look how ours started, definately barbaric by today's standards. Societies don't catch up decades of development in months. As long as they're voting and human rights exist legally, progress is in the bank.

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    Re: U.S.-Approved Arms for Libya Rebels Fell Into Jihadisí Hands

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    There's a bit more to it than that. Democracy takes time. Look how ours started, definately barbaric by today's standards. Societies don't catch up decades of development in months.
    In the case of the ME, it will enver happen. Egypts first elected president took less than six months to attempt a power grab. The guy that takes his place will do the same thing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: U.S.-Approved Arms for Libya Rebels Fell Into Jihadisí Hands

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    In the case of the ME, it will enver happen. Egypts first elected president took less than six months to attempt a power grab. The guy that takes his place will do the same thing.
    The people are sufficiently empowered to reject such again and again, that's evidenced. They want their vote and their rights, that's apparent. The women are not gonna lay down and go back to enforced ignorant servitude (politically, if not literally in most case).

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    Re: U.S.-Approved Arms for Libya Rebels Fell Into Jihadisí Hands

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The people are sufficiently empowered to reject such again and again, that's evidenced. They want their vote and their rights, that's apparent. The women are not gonna lay down and go back to enforced ignorant servitude (politically, if not literally in most case).
    I agree and in Egypt's case, they've demonstrated that they're not going to tolerate any bull****. Hopefully the will of the people can outlast the will of the jihadis.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: U.S.-Approved Arms for Libya Rebels Fell Into Jihadisí Hands

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You really think a few small arms and outdated (for us) surface to air missiles is a threat to the US? No, it's not.
    It doesn't matter if a weapon is allegedly outdated, it can still be a threat to our troops.Weapons can be modified,upgraded,used against our allies,innocent civilians or used for something outside their origingal use.

    Dictators cannot be allowed to bomb people with their own airforce unopposed militarily.
    Then send our own forces or ask a country who cares to send in a force to bomb their airforce if we are that worried that a dictator is bombing his own people.We shouldn't be supplying other countries or groups with weapons period.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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