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    Re: U.S.-Approved Arms for Libya Rebels Fell Into Jihadisí Hands

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Oh, c'mon. They're gonna MacGyver an AT4 into what... a stealth ICBM?
    They don't need to MacGyver an AT4 into a stealth ICMB. They can use the weapon to take out US troops,fire at buildings Americans are in, take out American vehicles and other uses.

    We wiped out Gaddafi's airforce. I'm not sure why we have not done the same to Assad.
    Someone else could handle Assad.


    This is nonsense. The US sells weapons. That's not gonna change.
    It should change.


    Don't worry, we're not gonna sell 'em stealth
    I bet idiots several years ago were saying the same about the weapons we are currently selling to other countries today.

    or space shuttles.
    I could care less if they sell them space shuttles.Those are not military weapons or military aircraft.
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    Re: U.S.-Approved Arms for Libya Rebels Fell Into Jihadisí Hands

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I disagree. I think the problem is that terrorists are gonna use whatever they can get, black market and otherwise, to kill innocent people. But hey, blaming the tool works too.
    So just give them weapons and take zero accountability for facilitating this behavior. Wonderful.
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    Re: U.S.-Approved Arms for Libya Rebels Fell Into Jihadisí Hands

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    They don't need to MacGyver an AT4 into a stealth ICMB. They can use the weapon to take out US troops,fire at buildings Americans are in, take out American vehicles and other uses.
    And they could use the weapon to overthrow civilian-slaughtering dictators, as intended.

    I bet idiots several years ago were saying the same about the weapons we are currently selling to other countries today.
    I'm sure they were, but they're not idiots. The gear became antiquated by advancements beyond their knowledge at the time. This is obvious.

    I could care less if they sell them space shuttles.Those are not military weapons or military aircraft.
    It's tech that leads to much of our military tech, including stuff in rockets and airplanes - to start.
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    Re: U.S.-Approved Arms for Libya Rebels Fell Into Jihadisí Hands

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    So just give them weapons and take zero accountability for facilitating this behavior. Wonderful.
    That the weapons facilitated the attack is an obvious fallacy, such weapons are all over the country and from many places; it just so happens that some are American made. That Obama gave weapons to the terrorists is another fallacy. Did you read the OP?
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    Re: U.S.-Approved Arms for Libya Rebels Fell Into Jihadisí Hands

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That the weapons facilitated the attack is an obvious fallacy, such weapons are all over the country and from many places; it just so happens that these were American made. That Obama gave weapons to the terrorists is another fallacy. Did you read the OP?
    I don't care what the op said. I'm talking about what you said, which is that it doesn't matter that we're giving them weapons, because they were going to get weapons from somewhere.
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    Re: U.S.-Approved Arms for Libya Rebels Fell Into Jihadisí Hands

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    I don't care what the op said. I'm talking about what you said, which is that it doesn't matter that we're giving them weapons, because they were going to get weapons from somewhere.
    That's not what I said. I said that using the origin of the weapons to apologize for the behavior (remember, "facilitated") is stupid. After all, the weapons were not intended for such purpose. Now,

    First, the weapons used at Benghazi were not of those perhaps maldistributed by Qatar.
    Second, Qatar gave the weapons to Libyans and their support - not Obama.
    Third, to recap, there were no US weapons used at Benghazi and, if there were, they would not have come from Obama but from Qatar.

    How we get from that to "Obama gave terrorists weapons" is beyond me. But here we are, with you condemning the US and blaming it for a terrorist attack based on stuff that didn't happen.

    Are you a CT person?
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    Re: U.S.-Approved Arms for Libya Rebels Fell Into Jihadisí Hands

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It was worth getting rid of Gaddafi and it will be worth getting rid of Assad. It's time for democracy and development.
    The families of those murdered in Benghazi beg to differ

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    Re: U.S.-Approved Arms for Libya Rebels Fell Into Jihadisí Hands

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    The families of those murdered in Benghazi beg to differ
    I don't think so. I think they understand the bigger picture. I think they understand that their family member(s) sacrificed for the betterment of this country and the world. In the fight for world freedom, there are many Americans who will sacrifice their life, that's just how we are - and we should be proud.

    They're not uneducated scumbag Islamists that, via brainwashing, are incapable of looking at the big picture objectively. You can't use the "but how do the families feel" from that crap, terrorist apologizing argument and transfer it to this one. Americans and terrorists are not the same. Of course, we shouldn't put those Islamic morons down too much; after all, some westerners are unable to discern between collateral damage and murder - so cave-dwelling fundies are not the only idiots involved.

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